Sorted just broke down the spare window I had ,I thought the winder was shot on it as it was mastic shut and had some pot rivets in some funny places but turns out it was a goodun so realised it was wrong side if that makes sence so drilled fixings and a new hole in the frame I was useing and fitted it in that ,sorted. There is a hole in the opposite side of the frame but I can live with that ,will put pics up on my build thread weekend.