Wide 5 front disc conversion.

[Anonymous]

I presume some of you boys and girls out there have had this mod to your bus and wondered which conversion was the one of choice, in terms of value for money, performance and quality.

CSP seems the obvious choice but the price on them seems to be ever increasing. Direct import from the US used to be viable but in the days of a p1ss weak £, there's not a lot of point anymore.

Presume I don't need to upgrade the master cylinder on my 68 to the one they recommend for the 70-79 models.

Thoughts, comments, advice?

Cheers all.

Lee

 

[j.nathan]

I think CSP is the way to go even considering the bad exchange rate.

Don't think you need to change master cylinders as long as the one you have is dual circuit.

 

[paul_q]

im fitting airkewld bad brakes and have been looking for info aswell.try on splitscreen van forum in technical.there talk of a drum dual circuit master cylinder(as a 68)giving the same pressure front + rear which isnt right.from what i can make out a later drum disc master cylinder is the correct way?

 

[Gadget Boy]

Ive got a CSP kit fitted it narrows the track by 8mm either side and is totally the way to go as it makes your bus stop like a modern car ,as for the master cylinder a new one for a 68like mine can be had for as little as 75 quid . NOW how much would you value yourbus/family/life DELETE as applicable :wink: Get the brakes sorted out and get all the shiny stuff after :mrgreen:

Gadget

 

[ronmidg]

The single circuit systems on the splits have a pressure retaining valve in the master cyl, and rely on the brake shoes return springs to push fluid back into the MC, my early bay book words say the the early single circuit MC has a integral plastic reservoir (which is like the split) but the picture shows an inlet connection for the remote reservoir, so I cant say what you have, but if its like the split you have to change it for discs otherwise the retaining valve in the MC holds pressure in the calipers.

 

[Anonymous]

Ive got a CSP kit fitted it narrows the track by 8mm either side and is totally the way to go as it makes your bus stop like a modern car ,as for the master cylinder a new one for a 68like mine can be had for as little as 75 quid . NOW how much would you value yourbus/family/life DELETE as applicable :wink: Get the brakes sorted out and get all the shiny stuff after :mrgreen:

Gadget

Agreed entirely mate. Seen a few comments on another post saying that OE drums are fine if they're adjusted correctly. I've adjusted mine properly, new linings, wheel cylinders, fitting kits, flexis blah blah - everything basically except the drums (which are in good condition) and master cylinder. Sure, the braking force they exert round town is fine but travelling on A-roads up round Northumberland and North Yorkshire in it when it's fully laden is no fun at all!

Looks like old Mr Visa will be getting a bashing in the new year!

Cheers folks.

 

[karlos]

Ive got a CSP kit fitted it narrows the track by 8mm either side and is totally the way to go as it makes your bus stop like a modern car ,as for the master cylinder a new one for a 68like mine can be had for as little as 75 quid . NOW how much would you value yourbus/family/life DELETE as applicable :wink: Get the brakes sorted out and get all the shiny stuff after :mrgreen:

Gadget

I have been thinking about going for the CSP kit but I was under the impression (wrongly?) that it widened the track slightly rather than narrowed it. I'm already pushing it with the wider 356 rims so if the CSP kit does bring it in slightly that would be ideal..

I've had a few panic/emergency stop situations... the drums have worked surprisingly well each time but it's heart stopping stuff! I want to be able to stop without being surprised that the old bus could do it :wink:

 

[faux]

I can't recommend them enough. And I changed the MC for one from GSF (£38).....5000 miles and still going well.

 

[steve92]

we have also been thinking about this. does it narrow the track on a balljoint set up as well as k&l ? also do you need a servo, or do you get a big improvement without one? sorry for the slight highjack!

 

[Fraggle]

I had the 15" kit on my old splitty and thought they were ace! 8)

I have the 14" kit on my current bay and think they are a little expensive for what they are and how they work.

Hope this helps

 

[giraffeinbath]

I had the 15" kit on my old splitty and thought they were ace! 8)

I have the 14" kit on my current bay and think they are a little expensive for what they are and how they work.

Are the 14 and 15" kits that significantly different then?

I thought that fundamentally it was just the difference of the disk size to so that the 14" disk fits steelies, or does taking an inch off the disk diameter really make that difference?

 

[two benders steve]

hi , CSP discs where the first thing i bought for my bay (i have always had hot engines in old vw's and fast engines and old drum don't go together)

 

[cunning plan]

Keeping track of thread as interested in opinions..

 

[kevdonlon]

I had a set of billet alloy hubs made to fit Frontera vented disks and a set of caliper brackets made to fit Omega calipers, absolutely no problem in hauling my Turbo bus back to legal limits, all standard bearings and seals used
They were done by a company called Rakeway engineering http://www.rakeway.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
If enough were interested i am sure he would do another batch

 

[cunning plan]

Wow dude! Nice setup, I like the hot-rodding approach to make other stuff fit 8)

Did it work out expensive if you dont mind me asking?

If it wasnt too bad - atleast cheaper than CSPs I and quite a few others would be interested 8)

 

[AxlFoley]

oh that looks nice! yes please!

 

[mcvw]

Hi,

I've been looking at the CSP kit and would deffo be interested in the costs for the new hub/Frontera disk/Omega caliper aproach (what year & model Frontera/Omega?).

Would also be interested to know how much new discs/pads/caliper maint' kit for the CSP setup are - with regards to the Vauxhall setup.

Thank you,


Mike

 

[james_stan]

I've been gathering bits for a early => late conversion (still need the small PCD rear hubs)..

BUT - this looks like a great alternative - count me in as an interested party.

Cheers

James

 

[cunning plan]

Hi,

I've been looking at the CSP kit and would deffo be interested in the costs for the new hub/Frontera disk/Omega caliper aproach (what year & model Frontera/Omega?).

Would also be interested to know how much new discs/pads/caliper maint' kit for the CSP setup are - with regards to the Vauxhall setup.

Thank you,


Mike

Good question as there is no point converting your brakes if you cant replace them when they are worn.

CSP solid discs (http://www.csp-shop.de/cgi-bin/shop2/shop_main.cgi?func=start&wkid=96264730372" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false are currently 49.00EUR each which works out to be about £93.

I would imagine that you could get replacemet Frontierer ones for about £30-50 for a pair - VENTED!

So obviously the Frontierer setup has initial cost and maintence cost benifits but what happens when you cant get Frontierer discs anymore as eventually the parts supply industry will stop stocking them? - Just a thought..

Anymore information on this kevdonlon? :?:

 

[kevdonlon]

hi guys, sorry for the delay
its difficult to say exactly what it cost as i had 2 sets made (hubs and caliper brackets) at the same time as having some other work done, i also paid for the cad drawings and program for the cnc machine to be written, best guess is about £350 per set, discs were £50 per pair and the calipers were second hand for £20
all in though it was a huge saving on the £800 or so for the vented kit i was looking at
i cant see a problem in getting discs or pads for the forseeable future, both are available off the shelf at my local factors
as the drawings etc are now on file and material prices are lower i think he may be able to do a few sets a bit cheaper, i'll ask the question when he is back, just out of interest