Crankshaft oil seal

[rubberdubber]

Hi all

Well unfortunately the crankshaft oil seal (flywheel side) on my 1.6 bay gave up the ghost the other week on the way back from devon, threw oil all over the clutch aswell which made hills even trickier than usual! :lol:

Going to pull the engine out next weekend and change it but been looking to purchase the parts and heritage list 2 seals, a genuine vw rubber cranshaft seal and a red silicone crankshaft seal. :? Which 1 should i use?

Any special tools to change the seal or is it fairly straight forward when the engine is removed?

cheers

 

[woodslat]

I only use the red silicone ones, have great luck with them. The German company Elring used to make them, don't know if they are still available. THe Sabo ones from Brazil are the most common silicone seals, I use them without hesitation. Make sure you change the O ring that is on the inside of the flywheel too!

THere is a special tool that is readily available, both a deluxe and a cheap version. THe cheap one is the one you're after here's one on US ebay (none on ebay uk)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Flywheel-Seal-Installer-for-Air-Cooled-VW-Volkswagen_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2em63Q2el1177QQhashZitem200173432800QQitemZ200173432800QQptZMotorsQ5fAutomotiveQ5fTools" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Shipping flat rate priority mail envelope is $13 so for $20 you could be sure the seal is installed properly.

 

[Loxy]

You can apparently buy the genuine seals from vw dealerships still in the UK, cant remember the part number but do a search on here - Tofufi has bought them before - and they are cheaper than buying from heritage etc.

 

[woodslat]

That's cool! No respectable dealer here would be caught dead with one of those dreadful old air cooled bits on the shelf...post up pics if you can of the genuine one if they are indeed available!

 

[rubberdubber]

Cheers for the advice, the jist im getting is that it dosent matter whether i get the genuine vw rubber one or the red silicone one? As for fitting, is that tool a necessity or is it just like fitting a driveshaft oil seal or cam seal where just tap it in evenly? (im tight) :lol: Just hoping my flywheel comes off as the only flywheel puller i have is one for an A-series engine!

 

[Loxy]

Part number discussion in on this thread:
http://forum.earlybay.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=12184&hilit=oil+seal" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

There is a pic on volkszone somewhere as well

 

[Loxy]

Cheers for the advice, the jist im getting is that it dosent matter whether i get the genuine vw rubber one or the red silicone one? As for fitting, is that tool a necessity or is it just like fitting a driveshaft oil seal or cam seal where just tap it in evenly? (im tight) :lol: Just hoping my flywheel comes off as the only flywheel puller i have is one for an A-series engine!

Price is I believe the main difference - who would have thought a vw dealer would be (quite a bit) cheaper!!

You need:
something to hold the flywheel still (a flywheel locking tool from one of the usual retailers)
a big socket 36?38?mm for the gland nut mine is 1 1/2" now as its a non-stock replacement
Breaker bar to fit above socket 3/4"??
Scaffolding pole 6ft+ to place over breaker bar
A hefty piece of 4ft+ longbar/angle iron to bolt to flywheel to stop engine from moving - it counteracts the leverage of the scaffold bar

After removing the gland nut my flywheel could be removed by the use of a rubber mallet & some carefully placed blows.
Remove old seal carefully ensuring you dont dameage the sealing faces of the case.
To re-install you can use anything that ensures a straight & complete pressing of the seal - careful use of a rubber mallet may work if very careful - along with a plate/piece of wood etc.

Good luck

 

[aogrady]

Hi!

You can get good quality Elring flywheel seal and o ring from Megabug. Quick del too, recommended highly!

Alistair

 

[pete nice]

The Elring seals are too big & are a very tight fit. Genuine German seals can be bought from Martins VW main dealer in Farnham for £5 something, you will have to order them. The silicone ones are second best but should work ok from GSF for the same price.

I have the flywheel lock tool, seal puller tool, H/D seal fitting tool, clutch alignment tool & torque master tool for refitting the flywheel. If you get your engine out when I am around I will scoot by & fit it for you.

Call me on 07970 540757.

 

[Tofufi]

You can apparently buy the genuine seals from vw dealerships still in the UK, cant remember the part number but do a search on here - Tofufi has bought them before - and they are cheaper than buying from heritage etc.

Yup.

Here we go:

113 105 245F. Just about £5 each from the main dealer IIRC, so less than 1/3 the VW heritage price I believe. I bought 4 :lol:

That's cool! No respectable dealer here would be caught dead with one of those dreadful old air cooled bits on the shelf...post up pics if you can of the genuine one if they are indeed available!

They have to order them in even here... took a few days

Cheers for the advice, the jist im getting is that it dosent matter whether i get the genuine vw rubber one or the red silicone one? As for fitting, is that tool a necessity or is it just like fitting a driveshaft oil seal or cam seal where just tap it in evenly? (im tight) :lol: Just hoping my flywheel comes off as the only flywheel puller i have is one for an A-series engine!

I'd go for the VW one, but having said that I fitted one to my van and it still leaks :roll: - think I have a worn flywheel, as I don't have any (excess) endfloat.

I've never used the fitting tool, just tapped them home with a rubber mallet and they're normally fine. Flywheel can be levered off with a couple of bars if you are gentle.

a big socket 36?38?mm for the gland nut mine is 1 1/2" now as its a non-stock replacement

36mm is stock, and a 3/4" breaker bar is really preferable to the 1/2" ones. I've seen someone snapping the 1/2" ones before.

Good luck

 

[rubberdubber]

Thanks for the advice all, much appreciated Pete you have a pm