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just wondering if i could get some help :oops:

when installing sticky back sound pads to the van is it the 'norm' to install them in the ribbed floor troughs? ie cargo, behind r&r bed & above engine area.

also as my van is not here (so i cant measure for myself :roll: ) does anyone know roughly how many square feet of the stuff is required? assuming fitted to all doors, roof, front panel, tailgate, etc basically everywhere :lol:

any help appreciated
 
Sorry to "answer" with a question. Are you using the pukka stuff? Gold plating the interior would appear cheaper than that.
Or trying the bitumen stuff from B&Q?

I'm starting to put my interior back - there was glass fibre insulation in there (standard???) originally - and I'm wondering what is best - I am conerned that if I stick sound deadening on, moisture may get trapped and rust the panels from the inside out. I'm also wondering about spraying with waxoyl too (but then the insulation won't stick.....).

Cheers,
Nick
 
nick

i am going to use the 2nd skin damplifier product. not sure how it will perform but it is cheaper than dynamat. it is also made butyl not bitumen so is pliable, therefore no need to heat up before applying.

on top of this i was also then going to install some closed cell foam or foil faced rigid house insulation. mine also had rockwool installed but i am not going to re-use it as it will hold moisture.

once this is done i will then waxoyl the death out of the nooks and crannys :lol:

all the above being said and done i cant confirm if this is the correct practice or not as i havent done it before :shock:

i have seen a product on ebay called soundx which is really cheap buy again havent heard from anyone who has used it

still dont know how many square foot i need :oops:

cheers
 
Thanks - sorry for kidnapping the thread, but that's really useful info. I saw the foil faced stuff which seems like a good bet. I'll have a look for 2nd skin.

Hope someone comes along who knows how much.....

Cheers,
Nick
 
Hi all,
i used second skin damplifier its worked really well and stuck without the need for heat, de-greased the panels first and used a wallpaper seam roller.
I didn't do the complete all silver all over, just patches dotted across each panel and then lashings of waxoil.
I did totally cover the wheel arches and the slope under the rear seat as i figured that's where the most noise came from. I think i bought a box of 20 12"x24' sheets -40sq ft from e-bay for about £70.

the only other thing that i meant to do but ran out of time was to put a layer of either Second Skin Heat Wave or that silver bubble wrap from B&Q under the ply floor to keep a bit more heat in.
anyway very worth adding sound deadening if the van is already stripped out (doors sound nice and slider isn't so loud at 2am on the campsite) i'm just not that sure i would strip just to fit- my vans certainly always going to have rattles.
see y,
blakie
 
was thinking of using second skins sluge just spraying it on the panels then using the damplifier on the roof and floor.. gunna get a test bit made, spay on some crap metal and see if it attats water or water clings to it.. they say it wont.. but advertisers lies boys and girls.. seeing is believing !
 
Hi,
I'm in the process of sound proofing my early bay. I first cleaned the inside, getting rid of old glue etc. Then applied about 1L of hammerite to the entire floor, not done the front yet! I bought some sound deadener, cheaper stuff than dynomat, this was £140 for 80 sq ft. I have covered the entire rear floor and bulkhead with the stuff, probably used about 50 sq ft for this area. Need to do the walk through, cab floor and wheel arches next! What's left can then be applied to the doors and panels....... Hope I have enough!

I thought, if the floors sound with a thick coat of Hammerite and tar pads stuck to it rust won't be a problem! Got to go crazy with the waxoil next!

I think it's going to make a huge difference in road noise when done.

Now, can anybody help with making and fitting a ply floor? Does the ply just sit in the 'well' area? If so, how do I finish the edges?

Any help would be great......!

Thanks
 
I did near enough every panel in the back of my van including the floor, my misses said that it did make a difference as she can now hear me talk when I'm driving and she is sat in the back.

That was with the stuff from B&Q.
 
Theres a fair bit of discussion about the pros and cons of insulation so heres my take :-

Theres two types of insulation - thermal and sound.

Thermal :-

Fiber board, glass wool, plastic bubble wrap, polystyrene etc will insulate for heat. In the summer they dont really have much effect at keeping the inside of the van cool since doors, windows, air vents etc make up a huge proportion of the vans surface and coolness can only be maintained by blocking off the windows externally, fitting an air conditioner and then keeping everything shut.

In the winter it helps retain heat if you have heating in the van but its a tiny space to heat with a lot of glass, so the effect is not anything like as much as in say a caravan with its much larger volume and plastic double glazed windows, which make up a far smaller proportion of the vehicle anyway.

Balance this against the truly enormous amount of moisture generated in such a small space as a T2. Either you have some ventilation, thereby negating most of the benefit, or you accept that everything in the van will get damp and there will be lots of condensation. Insulation will trap moisture. Enough said. On top of this I dont go camping in really cold weather anyway.

Sound insulation :-

Very temping this since I do like it quiet :lol:

Sound insulation works mainly by mass. Theres the carpet underlay type which muffles or damps the sound and works best on higher frequencies. Its heavy though and will trap moisture. Then theres the bituminum type sticky pads or roof repair tape, which stops sound and panel vibration by its sheer mass, which means its again heavy. Once applied its also hard to monitor whats going on underneath it in terms of corrosion. For this same reason I would be very cautious about buying an old camper with lots of insulation. If you think filler is bad, just imagine what horrors can be hidden under roofing tape.

Ultimately I like the van to be able to keep up with the traffic so have an aversion to extra weight. Hence - no insulation in my van.
 
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