Advice needed regarding concrete houses?????

[sparkywig]

pants to the prc`s lets have a good ole traditional build versus timber frame slanging match :lol: by traditional build i mean double skinned cavity masonary built property preferably using lime and stone or brick.
I hate timber frames as there crap :roll: four by twobie dad? :mrgreen:

I don't particulary care which, as long as they start getting built so I can get some work....

 

[ozziedog]

Hey peeps,,, not trying to dampen your fistycuffs but when I come across some of those swedish type timber frames, well the workmanship is fantastic, the insulation is 20 years ahead of this country as well, the finishing touches from the door hinges to the loft hatch are pretty good today and they were built 20 plus years ago. Back to the prc / pcr types, well sinced they did some demo tests on some of them, it was apparent thet they should have come down 20 to 30 years ago. There are about 8 different types with various problems, some built useing concrete like lego and some poured on site. The problems have allready been mentioned ^^^. The newest problem apart from mortgages ( re-sale) is that you can no longer cavity wall insulate them as there have been quite a few issues with cav insul on these. They are also extemely cold in the winter and hot in the summer (yeah right), due mainly to thermal conductivity, as concrete transmits cold like ally does. This in turn leads to condensation problems leading to mould, just be aware that these are real problems that some people are living with on a day to day basis. Before I bore you to death, pm me if you need any specifics and I`ll give you my phone number. Last thing,, when you have one,, they are very very hard to sell.

Ozziedog,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Boring Git

 

[matt-me]

In summary Froggy, if you have a choice, i'd stay clear. Being a surveyor too, all the points raised above are important, especially the ones made by ozziedog regarding condensation.

Scott, have you ever used traditional lime mortar? Your feedback would be interesting. We built a one off house in Holland Park 7 yrs ago, timber frame clad in brickwork, flemish bond, lime mortar, with traditional rubbed gauged arches using lime putty (yeah you can all turn off now), the brickies hated the mortar but it does look the nuts.

 

[froggy]

Cheers for all the info guys, we have decided to stay clear and buy bricks and mortar instead. 8)
Thats what i like about this place, you can ask anything and someone will always be around with the answers (whether its the answer you want or not is a differnt matter :lol: )

 

[ozziedog]

Well that worked really well then !!! Bored him into submission and now he ain`t gonna buy one. Good job done by all there, proper team effort,,,,,,,

Ozziedog,,,,,,,,, I likes it

 

[dandaz]

lime putty like the old days...allows movement, expansion, contraction

and it allow the walls to breathe.....ahhhhhhhh


Bricks and mortar with concete blocks inside... 8)

 

[froggy]

Well that worked really well then !!! Bored him into submission and now he ain`t gonna buy one. Good job done by all there, proper team effort,,,,,,,

Ozziedog,,,,,,,,, I likes it

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It was only an idea anyway, but after talking to a few mortgage advisors / estate agents i could get a mortgage but it would be at a higher than current interst rate and a minimum of 50% deposit, suppose they also agree there is a risk but 50% deposit covers there side of it should something go wrong!

 

[ozziedog]

Hey Froggy,,,,, I`m just glad that someone asked about something that I new a little about !! Then it isn`t so one sided when I start asking some extra dopey questions later on when I get stuck, which could be some time this weekend if I don`t run out of drill bits etc. I`m just about to swap the roof over on my bay. The air could be blue around Bristol. Some good threads on here touching on this too.

Ozziedog,,,,,,,,,,,, In way over my head !!! (AGAIN) :lol: :roll: :lol:

 

[sparkywig]

Hey Froggy,,,,, I`m just glad that someone asked about something that I new a little about !! Then it isn`t so one sided when I start asking some extra dopey questions later on when I get stuck, which could be some time this weekend if I don`t run out of drill bits etc. I`m just about to swap the roof over on my bay. The air could be blue around Bristol. Some good threads on here touching on this too.

Ozziedog,,,,,,,,,,,, In way over my head !!! (AGAIN) :lol: :roll: :lol:

Good luck Steve.

 

[scott wilson]

lime rules :!: of course the brickies would moan about it...they`re brickies and its different...one on top of two all day long and all that and i should think they underpriced it too which is the main reason they were moaning....a bad trademan always blames either the tools or the materials and never his own work! I must admit it is harder to use. Suits stonework down to the ground....my favourite

 

[robins]

lime rules :!: of course the brickies would moan about it...they`re brickies and its different...one on top of two all day long and all that and i should think they underpriced it too which is the main reason they were moaning....a bad trademan always blames either the tools or the materials and never his own work! I must admit it is harder to use. Suits stonework down to the ground....my favourite

the only stone work lime putty would suit is Bath stone 3mm joints,you could never use it with blue lias stone or any thing like it,

 

[dandaz]

I prefer working with lime the only drawback is that you have to wear gloves...I am building a concrete swimmimg pool at the mo the only thing good about it is they have decided to build a 25 foot 1 meter 40 stone wall the hide the concrete...

I will enjoy building that.... 8)

3mm joints not over here... :lol: