Greater Manchester Clean Air Zone £10/day from June 2023

[Clem]

Thread from the dead.

Despite my best efforts I drove into he Bristol live charging zone yesterday. I was in a 21 year old Audi that costs me £30 per month in VED/road tax . If I look on the website it says I’m exempt and there is no charge?
Makes no sense!

 

[Coda]

None of it makes any sense to me.

 

[roobug67]

Any historic registered (aka tax and MOT exempt) vehicle is exempt from ALL ULEZ's in the country. So for now (until that's changed) there is nothing to worry about.

 

[Clem]

Any historic registered (aka tax and MOT exempt) vehicle is exempt from ALL ULEZ's in the country. So for now (until that's changed) there is nothing to worry about.

Yes, I’ve been checking our family cars for compliance , and only my wife’s bluemotion low ved rated car has to pay!
I mean, it’s kind of handy to have ‘free’ options but does make a bit of a mockery of the scheme.

 

[fallingoffalot]

I've got a 15 y/o Mini and a 5 y/o, 320 diesel, and obviously the bus... all exempt. My brother lives in London and every time he drives his 12 y/o 2L Audi diesel it costs him £25. (It was one of those models that was part of the scandal a few years ago).

 

[Clem]

I've got a 15 y/o Mini and a 5 y/o, 320 diesel, and obviously the bus... all exempt. My brother lives in London and every time he drives his 12 y/o 2L Audi diesel it costs him £25. (It was one of those models that was part of the scandal a few years ago).

Our beetle was a scandal car. We got our ‘compo’ payout from VW this week , which was nice.

 

[Adam1970bay]

I feel they are shooting themselves in the foot over these.
Birmingham is closest to us, but my bro lives near Manchester. When we go to visit we normally nip in to Manchester to have a shop. Will not be doing that once this is brought in, even though my daily is excepted at moment. It’s another way of killing the high streets off. Public transport is not good enough yet. Little moan sorry. It’s the delivery drivers and people that live in these zones I really feel sorry for.

 

[fallingoffalot]

Our beetle was a scandal car. We got our ‘compo’ payout from VW this week , which was nice.

Yesterday, he PXed the Audi for a Volvo XC60 hybrid. So should be OK for some the the London charges.

 

[Clem]

I feel they are shooting themselves in the foot over these.
Birmingham is closest to us, but my bro lives near Manchester. When we go to visit we normally nip in to Manchester to have a shop. Will not be doing that once this is brought in, even though my daily is excepted at moment. It’s another way of killing the high streets off. Public transport is not good enough yet. Little moan sorry. It’s the delivery drivers and people that live in these zones I really feel sorry for.

We last went to BHam last New Year to the theatre, had to drive into the zone as had no way of getting near the venue via any park and ride scheme on the night etc etc. I fully support the concept of the schemes tbh, and we have to find better solutions, but that means providing viable alternatives ... and they simply aren't there. And it seems daft I can just take a different car and not pay!

Going to London this NY, and with the ULEZ/congestion charges, parking costs and fuel it is, for once, working out cheaper to go via train (advance booking). However, for various reasons, that option hangs by a thread!

 

[Coda]

I don't support it at all, because it was never about the environment, it was always about money. Like everything else.
Yes I'm a cynic, but I tell you what, if public transport was any where near as good as it is in any country in Europe, I'd ditch the car completely.

(I lived in CZ for 13 years and for most of that we didn't have (or need) a car, we only got one in the end because I was drumming in a band and taking my gear on the tram was a pain - yes I tried it, once! )

 

[neilswheels]

I dont think all historics are exempt, for example my 71 bus is, but a similar age crew cab pickup or van isnt, not London anyway, Ive been looking for a way to carry on getting to work come nex August when the ULEZ is extended and my t5 becomes a £12.50 per day charge, ive looked a commercial bays, commercial T25's, even old Bedfords, Sherpas or Transits, none of the reg's ive put in are exempt. Im looking at an older estate now, assuming they dont change the Euro standards required, currently 4 for petrol, and 6 for diesel. If I cant make it work, i'll have to move or close my business. Sucks because I'd only just invested 9K in a new VW engine, turbo, intercooler etc for my T5, 2 months before it was announced that ULEZ was being extended. I really dont think the powers at be have any idea what these decisions mean to the regular Joe trying to keep their heads above water.

 

[roobug67]

I dont think all historics are exempt, for example my 71 bus is, but a similar age crew cab pickup or van isnt, not London anyway, Ive been looking for a way to carry on getting to work come nex August when the ULEZ is extended and my t5 becomes a £12.50 per day charge, ive looked a commercial bays, commercial T25's, even old Bedfords, Sherpas or Transits, none of the reg's ive put in are exempt. Im looking at an older estate now, assuming they dont change the Euro standards required, currently 4 for petrol, and 6 for diesel. If I cant make it work, i'll have to move or close my business. Sucks because I'd only just invested 9K in a new VW engine, turbo, intercooler etc for my T5, 2 months before it was announced that ULEZ was being extended. I really dont think the powers at be have any idea what these decisions mean to the regular Joe trying to keep their heads above water.



























If a historic vehicle isn't showing as exempt it's an error on the system or its not registered correctly. And ALL historic vehicles are exempt, even commercials. I used to have a classic 1978 mk2 Transit and that was registered historic and was ULEZ and CAZ exempt. And I know all the classic Transits on the mk1/mk2 forums were. I've always said I'm surprised someone hasn't started a business selling restored mk1 and mk2 Transits for use for businesses in the CAZ/ULEZ's.

 

[roobug67]

If a historic vehicle isn't showing as exempt it's an error on the system or its not registered correctly. And ALL historic vehicles are exempt, even commercials. I used to have a classic 1978 mk2 Transit and that was registered historic and was ULEZ and CAZ exempt. And I know all the classic Transits on the mk1/mk2 forums were. I've always said I'm surprised someone hasn't started a business selling restored mk1 and mk2 Transits for use for businesses in the CAZ/ULEZ's.

 

[roobug67]

Oh and look a Mazdas, their Diesel engines were Euro6 compliant from around 2013.

 

[pierrox]

I dont think all historics are exempt, for example my 71 bus is, but a similar age crew cab pickup or van isnt, not London anyway

As related in another thread, London is weird. Our 1976 late bay was allowed to drive in the ULEZ after I registered it with the authorities. But it was not allowed to drive in the LEZ which surrounds the ULEZ... and it was a different admin which refused its registration. Go figure.
We ended up accessing the ULEZ via the M11 which is considered as a no restriction zone...

 

[Coda]

As related in another thread, London is weird. Our 1976 late bay was allowed to drive in the ULEZ after I registered it with the authorities. But it was not allowed to drive in the LEZ which surrounds the ULEZ... and it was a different admin which refused its registration. Go figure.
We ended up accessing the ULEZ via the M11 which is considered as a no restriction zone...

It's this kind of ******** that makes me despair.

 

[neilswheels]

If a historic vehicle isn't showing as exempt it's an error on the system or its not registered correctly. And ALL historic vehicles are exempt, even commercials. I used to have a classic 1978 mk2 Transit and that was registered historic and was ULEZ and CAZ exempt. And I know all the classic Transits on the mk1/mk2 forums were. I've always said I'm surprised someone hasn't started a business selling restored mk1 and mk2 Transits for use for businesses in the CAZ/ULEZ's.

Thats interesting, i'll look into this a bit further then, thanks

 

[neilswheels]

It's this kind of ******** that makes me despair.

Thats odd, I live outside the london LEZ, my 71 Camper is fine for both of them..

 

[pierrox]

The two different offices dealing with the emission zones didn't have the same year cutoff. I was old enough for the ULEZ, but the LEZ wanted me to be from before 1973. My van has a regular registration, not historic, and it's not a UK v5, we just came for the summer for work.
It worked out in the end and in some capacities it's more fair than the french system which forces you to have converted your regular registration to a "collector" registration in order to drive in the various LEZs.

 

[BigHal]

The historic vehicle exemptions (40 years or older) for MOT and Tax are only for private/domestic use, so trying to use a T2, early Doka or Mk1 transit for business or commercial use is outlawed.

I doubt there's any consistency across LEZ, ULEZ and DVA but if there's any opportunity to fleece the motorist you can be sure they'll share it.

The ULEZ is a scandalous scheme aimed purely at revenue generation and has little or no impact on the justification, clean air. If clean air was really the concern there would be no exemptions or the money raised would be used to create active air treatment measures.

Ironically most of the inner city particulates (not NOX though) that diesels are blamed for, come from synthetic clothing!!