Ball Joint or Link Pin to go low and narrow?

[stagger lee]

is the beam width the same pre and post 69?

 

[mattp]

where did you get those end plates dude? after a set for my own narrowing job :mrgreen:

Trailor queen resto's on here -excellent quality and cheaper than most places too! Bargain

 

[dubdubz]

is the beam width the same pre and post 69?

yes afaik - barndoors are different obviously..............

 

[young_dubya]

Cheers for that dude. :mrgreen:

 

[TransporterHaus]

I have great respect for Paul Medhurst and his crew, but the ball joint set up to me is just wrong, the ball joints are upside down and however someone says, upside down is upside down. No offence meant. Gulp.

Have you ever seen the lower balljoint setup on a t25? It's the opposite way to a bay. i.e up side down if you like. The balljoints are of a similar construction too, except for the lateral movement. You couldn't use wedgie ball joints on a dropped bay set up but you get the idea.

 

[southcoastcruiser]

hello
the best i've put on my bus was the red9 EZ rider....if you use narrowed beam and dropped spindles, take bilstein or koni shock absorbers, no white KYB, the tyres 'll hurt alldays.
I tested all the systems, and I'll take a wishbone kit from red 9 it's the best/modern kit and not the more expensive...

If you want a new beam and dropped spindles , you need a new narrowed one, 4 ball joint, new shock absorber, new seals, new anti roll bar kit,new track rod, dropped spindles...the price'll be expensive by report at the red9 kit with rack and pinion steering...
and sometimes you can't put the speedo cable ( cause the track rod is right in front the hole, and sometime you can have +1cm offset on each side, not good with your wheels )

the cheaper and goodest is the red 9 ez rider

the best and modern is the wishbone kit

thierry

 

[Pete B]

I have great respect for Paul Medhurst and his crew, but the ball joint set up to me is just wrong, the ball joints are upside down and however someone says, upside down is upside down. No offence meant. Gulp.

Have you ever seen the lower balljoint setup on a t25? It's the opposite way to a bay. i.e up side down if you like. The balljoints are of a similar construction too, except for the lateral movement. You couldn't use wedgie ball joints on a dropped bay set up but you get the idea.

Have not seen under a T25 so cannot comment. The usual arrangement, as used by most motor manufacturers (probably) is lower ball joint pointing up, top ball joint pointing down. If they vary, then both point down. It doesn't take the brightest of minds to appreciate why this arrangement is prefered. If they both point upwards, then a good whack could see the joint(s) pop apart with frightening consiquenses.' Heavy duty' or not, they are in the wrong orientation to work as they should and are being asked to operate in the wrong direction.
Sorry T2D and the crew, if I have the correct understanding of your dropped spindles for ball joint bays, then I am not a fan so far. If I am wrong, then please educate me in the error of my views, I am welcome to advice and enlightenment! I am far from perfect and am used to large portions of humble pie!!!
And Alex, wish I was buying from you now rather than a year ago, splitty 64-67 dropped spindles now £100 LESS than then! Just my luck!!!!!!!

 

[young_dubya]

the bottom balljoint on any mcpherson strut simply stops the strut moving i.e under steering and braking. no "weight" load is normally on them. although any shape can support any weight given the right engineering. and i assume that given T2D's good and extremely valuble name and reputation, they will have undertaken all design and testing needed to be happy that this system works. normally engineers multiply the maximum forces on a component like a balljoint by a saftey factor of at least two just to make sure that under no circumstances the balljoints will fail. i know that T2D worked closeley with professional engineers on this system. i had no part in the T2D development this is just my tup-ence :mrgreen:

 

[dubdubz]

I sent 2 emails - both weren't answered - asking t2d what happpened when the ball joints needed replacing ie how much are the new fangled ones...I also presume they have a method of removing the ball joint? from the arm?

I also asked what wear they had noticed on the ball joints - as although they may have been engineered for that purpose - I was still interested in 'a this is the ball joints after 1000,3000,6000 miles type test.......'

nothing

ok they get a lot of emails but even Nate at wagenwest returns my mails eventually and he's known for being too busy
:?:

 

[Pete B]

the bottom balljoint on any mcpherson strut simply stops the strut moving i.e under steering and braking. no "weight" load is normally on them. although any shape can support any weight given the right engineering.

As you say, with a McPherson strut, the ball joint is simply for location, the strut takes the load. A double wishbone set up has the top one pointing down (to take the weight/load) the lower to locate it as per McPherson strut. Standard engineering principles, proven and common sense. I cannot think of an application where both ball joints point upwards. It is just wrong. Fu*ck me, even Vauxhall Vivas had top one pointing down, lower pointing up and that was back in the 60's!!!!!!
The king and link pin arrangement is far from perfect once 'dropped spindles' are introduced. The re-assembly of these to achieve the drop means that the seals have to be removed from the equation. That is a crap arrangement. That is what is on my bus, and consiquently every time the front is lifted or 1000 miles,the grease gun is out along with a stack of rags to remove the old grease and muck.
I have only glanced it, but if the Red 9 double wishbone installation really is as good as folk say, then that has to be the way forward.

 

[TransporterHaus]

wish I was buying from you now rather than a year ago, splitty 64-67 dropped spindles now £100 LESS than then! Just my luck!!!!!!!

We have been able to drop the price by buying components in bulk and improving the way we do things making them quicker to produce. We have a production line set up now producing the spindles.

The king and link pin arrangement is far from perfect once 'dropped spindles' are introduced. The re-assembly of these to achieve the drop means that the seals have to be removed from the equation. That is a crap arrangement.

You can run seals between the link pins and trailing arms on dropped spindles. Once the link pins are pinched in the seals fit fine against the trailing arm dished shim.

 

[t2d]

Hello from T2D and sorry to the guy whos email probably landed in our spam folder.

In answer to any questions we have chosen a ball joint that has been proven to be able to take an equal amount of force, regardless of if the weight was pulling or pushing on it. They have been stripped inspected and tested both in house and by Slammed Panel in Holland, what's more Marco at Slammed panel has been using this design of spindle and ball joint for over 8 years has over 80,000k on a set. As stated on our web site this is were most of the research and testing took place (finding a ball joint that would allow this). The method by which the ball joints are held into the trailing arms is also very important and was our own biggest concern, but after putting close to 20 tons on each ball joint we are highly confident that there is not an issue with this area of the design.

Although my staff have good knowledge of how things work and what's safe and what's not, as a safe guard we bought in 2 highly qualified engineers who have years of experience in amongst other things: building and developing and building some of the countries safest Hot Rod chassis's and a long standing career in the development of high performance production cars. Both of these engineers looked into the ball joint issue and the general design of the spindle and both were happy to give us the green light to take over where Slammed Panel had left off.

A large amount of work, tooling and machining goes into each spindle and arm hence the price. replacement Ball joints are available at a cost of about £50 each should you ever need one.

If you have any more questions or doubts feel free to post here, email or god forbid pick up the phone and call us.

Paul Medhurst T2D

 

[dubdubz]

Hello from T2D and sorry to the guy whos email probably landed in our spam folder.

In answer to any questions we have chosen a ball joint that has been proven to be able to take an equal amount of force, regardless of if the weight was pulling or pushing on it. They have been stripped inspected and tested both in house and by Slammed Panel in Holland, what's more Marco at Slammed panel has been using this design of spindle and ball joint for over 8 years has over 80,000k on a set. As stated on our web site this is were most of the research and testing took place (finding a ball joint that would allow this). The method by which the ball joints are held into the trailing arms is also very important and was our own biggest concern, but after putting close to 20 tons on each ball joint we are highly confident that there is not an issue with this area of the design.

Although my staff have good knowledge of how things work and what's safe and what's not, as a safe guard we bought in 2 highly qualified engineers who have years of experience in amongst other things: building and developing and building some of the countries safest Hot Rod chassis's and a long standing career in the development of high performance production cars. Both of these engineers looked into the ball joint issue and the general design of the spindle and both were happy to give us the green light to take over where Slammed Panel had left off.

A large amount of work, tooling and machining goes into each spindle and arm hence the price. replacement Ball joints are available at a cost of about £50 each should you ever need one.

If you have any more questions or doubts feel free to post here, email or god forbid pick up the phone and call us.

Paul Medhurst T2D

thanks Paul - I did also try and phone but you guys a popular bunnies!

the 80k set are they still ok as within spec and not worn?? if so thats 50k miles which is pretty good..........

thanks.....

 

[t2d]

Hello from T2D and sorry to the guy whos email probably landed in our spam folder.

In answer to any questions we have chosen a ball joint that has been proven to be able to take an equal amount of force, regardless of if the weight was pulling or pushing on it. They have been stripped inspected and tested both in house and by Slammed Panel in Holland, what's more Marco at Slammed panel has been using this design of spindle and ball joint for over 8 years has over 80,000k on a set. As stated on our web site this is were most of the research and testing took place (finding a ball joint that would allow this). The method by which the ball joints are held into the trailing arms is also very important and was our own biggest concern, but after putting close to 20 tons on each ball joint we are highly confident that there is not an issue with this area of the design.

Although my staff have good knowledge of how things work and what's safe and what's not, as a safe guard we bought in 2 highly qualified engineers who have years of experience in amongst other things: building and developing and building some of the countries safest Hot Rod chassis's and a long standing career in the development of high performance production cars. Both of these engineers looked into the ball joint issue and the general design of the spindle and both were happy to give us the green light to take over where Slammed Panel had left off.

A large amount of work, tooling and machining goes into each spindle and arm hence the price. replacement Ball joints are available at a cost of about £50 each should you ever need one.

If you have any more questions or doubts feel free to post here, email or god forbid pick up the phone and call us.

Paul Medhurst T2D

thanks Paul - I did also try and phone but you guys a popular bunnies!

the 80k set are they still ok as within spec and not worn?? if so thats 50k miles which is pretty good..........

thanks.....

They are still good, the ball and socket is the same hardness all the way around, so the wear should be uniform regardless of wether they are being pushed or pulled..

 

[dubdubz]

They are still good, the ball and socket is the same hardness all the way around, so the wear should be uniform regardless of wether they are being pushed or pulled..

:anim_19:

is there an FAQ on the site Paul? haven't noticed one? would help the 'lost' emails maybe...and keep to the facts..things like the engineers testing and the like..goes to prove what a decent thought out product it is.
I nearly bought some from Chris in 2007, but bottled it at the last minute :lol:

 

[t2d]

They are still good, the ball and socket is the same hardness all the way around, so the wear should be uniform regardless of wether they are being pushed or pulled..

:anim_19:

is there an FAQ on the site Paul? haven't noticed one? would help the 'lost' emails maybe...and keep to the facts..things like the engineers testing and the like..goes to prove what a decent thought out product it is.
I nearly bought some from Chris in 2007, but bottled it at the last minute :lol:

Good idea, the site is evolving slowly so it might be an idea for me to work something in to it's evolution. Lost emails have been a huge problem for us due to the massive amount of spam we get, but we have resently taken on a part time I.T guy so things have got much better in the last few weeks.

 

[dubdubz]

we have resently taken on a part time I.T guy

bugger - I could have done that, raid servers, webservers all that jazz......oh well 8)