i have seen them come up second hand ,i have seen both types of roll over types used and both have pros and cons ,to be fair if i do another bus i will try the cj autos type .mustard72 said:thanks again dub boy!! i am sort of leaning towards the spit, and also it is a bit cheaper and i am on a budget. do many secand hand ones come up for sale???? although the price new does not seem bad.