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Simon Hall said:
I think for a non original paint bus that is a lot of money! :shock:
I agree, if your going to modify / custom the bus to suit your needs then why pay top dollar for a bus that still needs work :?
As said by nearly everyone on here to people enquiring about buying a bus, buy a bus with a solid body, some MOT, Tax and use it for a while. See what it is you actually want out of the bay and then spend the money on making it your own. Why pay for what someone else has done if its not really what your after :?:
It maybe that after a few months you decide bus ownership is not all its cracked up to be :shock:
With show season starting it might be an idea to go along to a few and have a look around some car park buses, by this i mean everyday buses that people use not just 'show and shiners' have a word with the owners most of them will gladly talk to you.
The few shows that i have been to i think i have spent more time walking around the car park / camping area then i did looking round the show :wink:
 
This one is £9400ish today

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You could get that done to your original budget I reckon. Contact T2D as they are KnK agents and can probably sort it all out for you? Its not my ideal van but thats irrelevant.

Id be investigating the price on these -

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Or this one is £9800 ish

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Call them they know the exchange rate is against us and 'may' broker a deal to get vans moving, or secured by deposit. Get it taken to T2D and get the Puppy magic worked on it and you maybe looking at a sweet modded bus to your original price or thereabouts! :)
 
I would be aiming at 5K as your gonna spend that at least to get the bits your after, the trim and stuff can always come later, unless your after the M plate as well as all the mods.....[/quote]

Sorry, I know I'm new to the scene but what's an 'M' plate? :?:
 
An M plate denotes what features or extras the van came with from the factory.

I have never looked at mine, as it makes no difference to me. I just build it how I like it!
 
windsurfer said:
Sorry, I know I'm new to the scene but what's an 'M' plate? :?:
it's a learning curve isn't it :wink:

most of what i say take with a pinch of salt :roll: but remember that there ARE rules out there that have to be obeyed.

put an earlier set of wings on a volkswagen beetle and 'a' magazine will call your car a 'wrong 'un' :cry:

put a set of wheels on your volkswagen beetle from another marque and the same magazine will put you on the front cover 8)

*go figure*

or as i'm fond of saying *degrees of infinity*

now then, way back 'when all this were fields' there was something called 'buffing' and it had nothing to do with polishing paint or slaying vampires, but all to do with obsessive geekiness about your particular car... generally *the kids* would be at bug jam throwing water balloons at each other in their pyjamas, while the buffers would be at stanford hall comparing parts numbers on their windscreen wiper switches.

then something happened :shock:

i dunno what, my computer was broken, but when i got a new one everything was different... the pages were full of imported OG paint buses quietly rusting away on showfields, and bays, even little old bays, the dullard cousin of the splitscreen bus that nobody aspired to own had got an identity of their own, and a certain desirability... so long as they had indicators low down on their front panel. the other ones were still worthless thank god.

but with this rise in popularity came a surge of newly found knowledge... remember 'libraries gave us power' so imagine the effect the internet has had on the scene.

parts that would literally NEVER surface, or which you might only see once in a lifetime like a mechanical brigadoon were suddenly at people's fingertips via the miracle of ebay and thesamba, and whereas before people might have taken a lifetime to build their perfect ride nowadays we've entered the click... bought that click... got that fancy that... click... age where you can literally assemble your ride from the comfort of your own home, instead of having to trek to lithuania for a used set of spoon latches.

again... i've got a little distracted :roll:

your bus came out of the factory with a list of 'optional extras' which all had a code, and so theoretically (conveniently ignoring any changes by previous owners over the past 40 years or so) if your bus has Mxxx then it'll have a clock or Mxxx actually i can't think of very many, i'm not an M code buffer but the point is, and i've taken my time making it, and it's exactly the same as i made in the other thread about replica alloys; some might say if your bus doesn't have the M code for a certain item, then bolting that item on is creating a wrong 'un, the same way as bolting slopey wings onto a '72 beetle is nowadays considered a bit of a fashion faux pas.

this of course makes it even harder to create your dream ride, especially if you want something like deluxe trim, because surely you'll need a deluxe bus to start with, and they're rarer and thus commensurably more expensive.

most *normal* people who want deluxe trim just bolt a set on of course and to hell with the M plate (i've never even seen mine) but i just thought i'd point it out to you because it's a fascinating facet of the 'scene' you're keen to learn about 8)
 
the councillor said:
(i've never even seen mine)


Shame on you councillor, nip outside now in the freezing cold into that massively overstocked garage of yours & climb over all the tat (weeping elephants, owls etc) and write your codes down. You can then post them on here and I can use my M-code book to tell you everything that your bus would have had from the factory that the POs have taken off and sold on ebay :( .
After you have been M-coded you will notice that people will actually start to listen to you, until then you are just going to be another no-M-code-no-one :shock: :shock:

To think that we let you into our little EB family without checking you had been M-coded or not. :lol:
 
Ok, I just went out to the garage & wrote this down:

02 069 789
518
523907 D26 B67 507 517
45 4 7134 UN 2310 21

The vin is: 2302069789
Type 23-517
 
Thanks Councillor, I'm now in the know (well, ish).

It's a complicated world isn't it. Luckily for me, I don't mind having a 'wrong un', it'll give the purists something to talk about. I'd much rather my kids throw water bombs at my inaccurate van at Big Bang than me comparing numbers at stamford hall.

It has got me thinking though............................... this site has a wealth of knowledge. I find the process of finding a bus complicated enough. At least when I have one I can get down to the point of it which is to enjoy some camping. Finding this 'solid' base is proving very illusive. Whilst I really value all of the advice, people are telling me different things which kind of makes my head spin. I'm clear on the fact that I need a solid base but all of this 'OG', 'Rust free' business is over my head. The prices seem to vary so much as well. :lol:
 
Rust is one of your biggest expenses to repair. Also a welded bus will rust quicker than a non welded one.

I keep mine garaged to keep it safe & protect my investment. I will use it when the sun comes out & the interior is finished, I won't abuse it, but it will get driven. If the engine makes it into the back then it will be driven at speed too...
 
pete nice said:
Ok, I just went out to the garage & wrote this down:

02 069 789
518
523907 D26 B67 507 517
45 4 7134 UN 2310 21

The vin is: 2302069789
Type 23-517

A bit rushed but I think this is it:

0 (year - 1970)
2(always 2 for type 2)
069 789 (chassis/serial number)
518(Opening in roof with reinforcement for westfalia pop-up roof)
523907(5-special paint code,23 - type 23, 907, L87 pearl white westy - standard interior dark beige)
D26 (mcode group - 020-speedo/odo in miles,089-Laminated windscreen),102-Rear window heating),206-inner rear view mirror anti dazzle,511-padded dash & dashboard lid,524-USA/Canada Spec,525-seatbelts for USA/CAnada)
B67(SO67, Westfalia campmobile 67B as 67A but with additional popup roof bed & built in luggage roof rack)
507 (Ventilation windows in cabin doors)
517 (Factory prepared for campmobile interior)
45 4 (week 45,Thursday - 6/11/69)
7134 UN (Destination:USA, New York)
2310 (Kombi, LHD, sliding door right,Standard Version)
21 ( 1600,47bhp,M157(exhaust emission control system),4 speed manual)
 
That's really cool. Thanks for that. It has a quarts clock in the speedo pod too, but don't know if that was just an option.

It still has all of those original fittings. The pop out bed is removed & needs a retrim, all the fittings are there. I also have the cabin bunk too.

All in all it's pretty much intact.
 
pete nice said:
That's really cool. Thanks for that. It has a quarts clock in the speedo pod too, but don't know if that was just an option.

It still has all of those original fittings. The pop out bed is removed & needs a retrim, all the fittings are there. I also have the cabin bunk too.

All in all it's pretty much intact.

Just had a quick look through the list & couldnt see the clock as a seperate option, it might have only been an option as part of the deluxe package (type 24) so maybe a PO added it.

Looks like there was a 73-79 option of a clock along with the speedo with trip (M25) but still cant see one for earlier models.
 

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