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Mike F

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I'm asking having learnt the hard way - what do you use for backing up photos etc from your pc?

I've had a Maxtor external hard drive for years but could never sort myself out to back it up. It failed a fortnight ago and it's a big bill to retrieve the files. It's largely photos which I am using for a book I'm putting together.

I reckon the problem was caused by the drive becoming almost full and I continued to save to it even though it slowed down.

The IT guys at work run tape backups regularly - is this viable for a home pc?

Any thoughts welcome.
 
It's time to renew my broadband contract and BT have offered me the backup option with it - I think you just tell it what to backup each day (automatically) and it sends a fresh copy to their server for you...
I'm sure they're not the only company to offer this kind of service...

;)
 
there are loads of free backup programmes, 1-click after you have set up the script (easier than it sounds) retrospect is a good non nonsense one and its industry standard, ships with most of the named brand backup drives for free.

what exactly happened to the drive? i have forensic retrieval tools here if your completely buggered and i can help?

did your PC fail or your external drive?

You can try 'PC inspector file recovery' first, as the drive may just not be able to locate the files although they are still on the drive, if the drive is physically damaged, i may be able to retrieve files from the non damaged sections.
 
Theres plenty of options out there fella and cheap now remote server options are ok but I would always have a couple of local copies in different formats as CDs will be obsolete in the relatively near future as will a lot of formats.... Sit with a computer mag and do a bit of online research and see what suits your situation...
Mass storage device and several smaller specific aplication devices for regular access....
 
TBH i would steer away from remote backup as its dependant on your internet connection. If thats down, you cant back up. Buy yourself a cheap 8 gig pen drive (£12) for your most important files (thats 2 DVDs worth) and get a cheap external drive usually bundled with software.
 
I would say retrospect it your best options, ooooor if it is just photos you are concerned about, and maybe some music, just by a really big external drive and put it all on there :D

You can buy hard drives that you just plug in and the back everything up but I seem to remember them being expensive :D
 
Ta for the comments - and especially for not saying 'why didn't you etc etc'!!

The problem was with an external hard drive, accumulated folders of photos being the most important stuff from four years of digital photography.

I'd prefer to steer clear of on-line backup as I don't fully trust BT broadband and can't say I'll be sticking with them for ever.

I'll take a browse at mags on see what is on the net...
 
Even big back ups use hard drives, the only difference is the span files across a few drives so if one fails you can still recover files, the problem with this is it becomes expensive, I have all my files on one big drive on my mac then a hard drive that is twice the size of my computer one which I backup all my my mac to over a year then wipe it and start another backup from stratch, I have found it the best way, I do it at work as well it I have found it the fastest way and most other ways are slow to recover files :D

and why didn't you........... hehehehe :D
 
Shaggy it was all going so well and you had to point out his stupidity :lol: :lol:

Must admit I should get round to that myself Doh...
 
There are lots of different ways to do backups and the trick is to work out what's right for YOU. The first step is to figure out what you need to back up and how often.

You just lost a drive full of photos but my guess is that you won't miss most of them. You'll have kept loads of stuff just because it might come in useful one day so you kept it just because you could. You could probably have fit the valuable stuff, that you are actually going to miss, onto a couple of CDs.

Of course making those kind of decisions is difficult so most folks tend to want to "back it all up" however the down side of that is that it takes ages, and it's a chore, so you end up not doing it very often.

The use of tape can take the chore out of it because you can fit masses of data onto a single tape and can probably leave the backup running over night (whereas with other media you may have to change it part way through). However even here, there can be big problems:

I once had a lot of fun with an old Novell file server that had gone pear shaped. At first we weren't too worried because we had nightly backups on tape. However when we went shopping for a new server (and obviously we wanted one fairly quick) we hit a big problem: our old tape drive wasn't compatible with any of the currently available hardware. Thus we could not connect our old tape drive into a new server and the kind of tapes it used could not be read by the tape drives that were available for the new server. So although our data was safely backed up onto tape, we couldn't read it back off! In the end we managed to track down some really old hardware that was compatible with our old tape machine, read the data off the tapes, and transfer it via the network to the new server. Tracking down the old hardware added about a week to the length of time that the server was down and was a big hassle for the company involved.


Araon suggested that CDs will soon be obsolete. Personally I think that's bollocks but even if he's right, hardware that is capable of reading them will be cheaply available for a long time to come. In your shoes I think I'd be inclined to consider getting a bit more organised about my data storage and burning a CD for each project / session. However as I said right at the start the important thing is to figure out what's going to work for YOU. ;-)
 
external hard drive all the way :D it quick easy you just plug it in and off it goes files are easy to get hold off, its a one off cost, but better than buying lots of cds or tapes, trust me on this one :D

In fact just by apple hardware.....hehehehe

do you think I would get paid for saying that :)
 
Shaggy said:
external hard drive all the way :D it quick easy you just plug it in and off it goes

1. Works fine until your computer dies and the new one doesn't have the required ports to connect the old hard ware.

2. Also be sure to say a prayer before starting a backup because if you wipe the external drive and your computer dies half way through, you've got no backup.

3. You should also keep your fingers crossed that any corruption that occurs on your computer gets noticed before you take the next backup because if you don't notice, the only copies of the files that you have (on both drives) will be corrupt.

4. Can we also assume that your external drive is in another building? Please don't tell me that its ever on the same desk as the computer such that the same fire, burst pipe, power surge, or spilled cup of coffee could total both of them.


Having said all of that, I also use an external hard drive to maintain a clone of my Macs internal hard drive. HOWEVER:

1. Any new music that I buy or software that I download also gets burned onto CD. (I don't rely on being able to track down my favourite utilities if I need to rebuild my system in three years from now - I keep copies).

2. At the end of any project (usually the creation of a new website), I burn the project onto CD. This means I can access old versions of the projects and if I discover a corrupt file I can probably find a good copy in an older archive of the project.

3. Any files that I wouldn't be able to live without if my house burned down are also backup up on-line.
 
well if you wanna go the whole hog and be totally buy a rack of X-serves and have them all hot swapped to take them off site.
 
Johnnyâ„¢ said:
well if you wanna go the whole hog and be totally buy a rack of X-serves and have them all hot swapped to take them off site.

You've missed my point which is that what is necessary to have sufficient protection will vary from one situation to another. Implementing ANY backup strategy without thinking about what it actually required and what risks are acceptable is likely to leave your kicking yourself at a later date. You can't just go do the same as somebody else and assume that their strategy will also work for you.

Remember that huge explosion/chemical fire thing a while back? There was a computer place just around the corner. They had backups in a firesafe. Trouble was that the explosion/fire took out all the systems and because the site was in a danger zone, nobody could get anywhere near to retrieve the tapes from the safe. All of their customers, who had data on their server, ended up being off-line until the site was made safe enough for somebody to go in and get the tapes. Luckily they were far enough from the centre of the blast that the fire safe wasn't destroyed (they are fire resistant - they are not indestructible).

So how do you work around something like that? Well, at the last company I worked for we had a nightly tape backup with several tapes in rotation. Each morning I would check that it was okay, then when I left at the end of the day I would take it home with me and SWAP it for the previous days tape which I'd brought home the day before. I would then take the older ape back to work the following morning and place in the firesafe with the other tapes. Thus there was ALWAYS a tape off site at my house some 30 miles away.

Now such a strategy is probably over the top for a home user but here's a couple of suggestions for Mike F (who is working on a book and therefore has some project data that is pretty important to him):

1. At appropriate intervals, burn a copy of the project onto a CD, take it to work, and keep it in your desk draw.

2. Get two USB memory sticks and put the project onto both. Keep one at home and one at work. When you need to update, put the info onto your home stick and take it into work. Both sticks are now at work but this is not a problem because you also have your data on the computer at home. Swap the sticks so you leave the most up to date stick at work, bring the other one home and copy your files onto it.

Personally I prefer for the first option because the CDs will give you an archive over time which will be useful if you suddenly discover that a file got deleted or corrupted a couple of months back and you hadn't noticed.


See what I mean now when I say that you need to think about these things? You don't need to spend a packet on weird hardware housed in concrete bunkers or commit yourself to a complicated and tiresome routine to implement a robust backup strategy. You just need give it a bit of thought. ;-)
 
Trouble is for me that the files I lost are actually very important - my 'other' hobby is visually documenting football grounds at all levels (OK, it just means I take photos of them!) - examples of what I end up with are at...

http://www.photoboxgallery.com/FootballGroundsFrenzy/2139943

Luckily all of my main stadium pics as in the above are fine but I have been to every football ground in Kent & SE London which I aimed to make into two books and these are the folders which have been damaged. I could go round them all again but retracing my trips would be both time consuming and depressing.

Anyway, hopefully they will save the files! I am meticulous in filing/saving but now need to double save. I reckon my best way is to save all pics I take to one external drive, burn them to dvd when they'd fill one up and allocate to specific folders on the other.

Thanks for the advice guys!
 
Mike F said:
I reckon my best way is to save all pics I take to one external drive, burn them to dvd when they'd fill one up

Sounds like a plan but can I suggest one modification: burn them to a DVD when you've got a quantity that you'd hate to lose. Blank DVDs cost nothing compared to the value of your data so who cares if they aren't full? ;-)

Fingers are crossed that you manage to get some back off the duff drive.
 
Yeah I agree with that :D

dude thats quite a cool thing you do there, I imagine its a nice thing to site down a look through also in a good few years time a good documentation of history :D

I think they would be able to get most of the work off you drive :D

Good luck :D
 

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