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Hi all, I am about to purchase a early bay. I am keen on the Devon conversions because they are RHD and don't have the wardrobe blocking a window. I posted a question about Westy vs Devon on the Vzi forum a while ago and was suprised at what I read. There seemed to be a large number of people who thought that the Devon converions were of very poor quality and some were made from panel vans. Also the flat pop tops were prone to leaking. Also, the Devons seemed to not have the same resale value. Comments?

How would I check to ensure that anything I look at is not a panel conversion?

I really like the Devon long pop top so it's possible to have a roofrack at each end. Is there a special name for this type? I know the smaller one is called a 'turret top' which looks great, but can't house any beds ;-(

Thanks for any info.
 
I think I answered on that thread ....

Youre issues with an early Devon are two, mostly ...

One is the fact that the flat roofs fitted to earlies leak, and will/can damage the interiors and thus the body and chassis

Two is that they are almost life long UK vans, and unless they have already been restored, or are rare minters than they will suffer from the problems accosiated with UK vans ie. rust!

If its early, it wont be a panel conversion, nor a later cheaper/inferior interior. The interiors got worse the later the type and the early ones are very nice, imo. :)

Id price a solid rhd erarly Devon at least as much as an equivalent Westy.
 
If your wanting Devon info PM Johnny the oracle of Devon conversions, he maybe able to steer you in the right direction....
 
Clem said:
I think I answered on that thread ....

Youre issues with an early Devon are two, mostly ...

One is the fact that the flat roofs fitted to earlies leak, and will/can damage the interiors and thus the body and chassis

Two is that they are almost life long UK vans, and unless they have already been restored, or are rare minters than they will suffer from the problems accosiated with UK vans ie. rust!

If its early, it wont be a panel conversion, nor a later cheaper/inferior interior. The interiors got worse the later the type and the early ones are very nice, imo. :)

Id price a solid rhd erarly Devon at least as much as an equivalent Westy.

totally agree with all of that.

The quality of the Devon conversion was very high, i would put the quality as high as a westy conversion with the obvious exception of the poptop. They are prone to leak due to the style of the roof and its inner outer seal over the period of their life. If your buying one check for water damage on the wood below the back left and right corners of the popup. It is easy to fix and i'm in the middle of doing that. I usually call the style of devon poptop on earlies a 'bellow' or 'concertina' as this is how the poptop wall appears.

The workmanship of the earlybays in the wood and fixings including the quality of the wood used was excellent, normally japanese oak faced veneer, laterbays used cheaper laminated chipboard . A well looked after one should have no peeling, no water damage, the upper locker and side wardrobe should have the original white melamine doors and black handles, these should also have a tannoy 8 speed fan with the control box mounted on the locker facing forward and the fan in the centre of the upper locker. There should be a storage unit above the engine bay with two pull out drawers and a drop down front. You should have two tables with four long legs and two short. The sink unit varies from conversion, but should have a whale pump with sink and at least 2 water drums. Minters will have the cool box intact and unsplit, if you open the drawer above you could pour a small amount of water that soaked into the coolbox lining and evaporated to chill the contents.

When you open the door there should be a lining to hold two bottles some eggs and bar on the door for small jars and the inner lining was smooth.

The fold away bunks are fairly robust and can easily hold two small adults or two kids with several arrangments for the bedding, an upper or lower double bed setting. One of the tables will fit four legs so it can be used outside the bus free standing.

The swingout cooker should have a twin burner hob with grill, there should be a folding aluminium cowl and a grill pan with detachable handle and the hinge was fixed to the bulkhead to allow cooking outside the living space.

As clem said ive never seen any early devon conversions from panel vans? overall its my favorite conversion becasue of the compactness and versatility of the interior, the beds do take a little longer to set up but were only talking a minute or so, the space inside is excellent especially when cooking and if the pop top is properly treated and good selas used you wont have a problem with leaks.

Check the history section under 'devon', theres a manual showing the various interiors.

Regarding the resale value, i would put any mint devon up there with a similar westy, the fact that most of all devons are RHD and have been in the UK would add to the value, as its harder to find a rust free mint example.

welcome to earlybay
 
Have a look here, some cool brochures in pdf...

http://www.devonmoonraker.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.specialpatrolgroup.co.uk/spooky/devon/cover.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
Johnny said:
Clem said:
I think I answered on that thread ....

Youre issues with an early Devon are two, mostly ...

One is the fact that the flat roofs fitted to earlies leak, and will/can damage the interiors and thus the body and chassis

Two is that they are almost life long UK vans, and unless they have already been restored, or are rare minters than they will suffer from the problems accosiated with UK vans ie. rust!

If its early, it wont be a panel conversion, nor a later cheaper/inferior interior. The interiors got worse the later the type and the early ones are very nice, imo. :)

Id price a solid rhd erarly Devon at least as much as an equivalent Westy.

totally agree with all of that.

The quality of the Devon conversion was very high, i would put the quality as high as a westy conversion with the obvious exception of the poptop. They are prone to leak due to the style of the roof and its inner outer seal over the period of their life. If your buying one check for water damage on the wood below the back left and right corners of the popup. It is easy to fix and i'm in the middle of doing that. I usually call the style of devon poptop on earlies a 'bellow' or 'concertina' as this is how the poptop wall appears.

The workmanship of the earlybays in the wood and fixings including the quality of the wood used was excellent, normally japanese oak faced veneer, laterbays used cheaper laminated chipboard . A well looked after one should have no peeling, no water damage, the upper locker and side wardrobe should have the original white melamine doors and black handles, these should also have a tannoy 8 speed fan with the control box mounted on the locker facing forward and the fan in the centre of the upper locker. There should be a storage unit above the engine bay with two pull out drawers and a drop down front. You should have two tables with four long legs and two short. The sink unit varies from conversion, but should have a whale pump with sink and at least 2 water drums. Minters will have the cool box intact and unsplit, if you open the drawer above you could pour a small amount of water that soaked into the coolbox lining and evaporated to chill the contents.

When you open the door there should be a lining to hold two bottles some eggs and bar on the door for small jars and the inner lining was smooth.

The fold away bunks are fairly robust and can easily hold two small adults or two kids with several arrangments for the bedding, an upper or lower double bed setting. One of the tables will fit four legs so it can be used outside the bus free standing.

The swingout cooker should have a twin burner hob with grill, there should be a folding aluminium cowl and a grill pan with detachable handle and the hinge was fixed to the bulkhead to allow cooking outside the living space.

As clem said ive never seen any early devon conversions from panel vans? overall its my favorite conversion becasue of the compactness and versatility of the interior, the beds do take a little longer to set up but were only talking a minute or so, the space inside is excellent especially when cooking and if the pop top is properly treated and good selas used you wont have a problem with leaks.

Check the history section under 'devon', theres a manual showing the various interiors.

Regarding the resale value, i would put any mint devon up there with a similar westy, the fact that most of all devons are RHD and have been in the UK would add to the value, as its harder to find a rust free mint example.

welcome to earlybay


Yep, Johnnys the man!

I have a devon, and besides the leaky roof, i love it to bits. My fridge works, cooker works, fan works. Yes it has a few small knocks and dings here and there but everything is solid as a rock!
 
i forgot to mention that the majority of people on VZi have no idea what they are talking about, if you want to find out about earlybays your at the right place now :wink:
 
I totaly agree, this is the place if you have/ want an early bay and Johnny is your man for all things Devon. Love Westys but I am a right hand drive man and you will notice that this sets a price premium in the UK (though Westy conversions tend to negate this).

Kind regards

Nick & Zile
 
I am new to bays, but just can't see the appeal of a Westy. Even the LHD I could live with at a push, but the wardrobe blocking out the window just does not look right to me. Makes the whole thing seem claustrophobic ;-( I guess the only real advantage I can see is that the roof looks better designed.

I am still trying to find someone local (Norfolk/Norwich area) who has one so they can take me out in it. I have a 1600 twin port beetle and know what poor performance it has so am not looking forward to seeing how what a 1600 bay is like ;-(
 
It's a whole different sort of driving and once you accept that mind set you'll be fine! I have a 1776 with around 76 bhp (approx 100 bhp at the flywheel - the std measure) at the rear wheels and it is still slow in comparison to a modern car but this is a big and heavy vehicle and you just get use to it. PS did I tell you how much I really really really love driving our van and I know I am not alone in this EB's are just so 8) 8) 8) .
 
You've got it right immediately - get a Devon earlybay and you won't be changing for any other conversion!

If you are down in the NW Kent area come and have a ride in mine.
 
I have had my 1972 devon moonraker for about 10 years and I prefer it to a westfalia. Yes, the Westy is probably better quality in terms of construction and format, however, my interior is a lovely oak with all original fittings and 30 odd years on the way it has been looked after is proably more important than than how it was made. The pop-top did leak when I bought it but I had it rebuilt (£2000+) and it is now better than new and will never leak again.

The main thing for me is space. The Devon when the roof up has so much more space to walk around in (relatively of course) compared to the Westfalia. If it was a late bay, which I would never consider of course as indicators should never be more than 2 feet from the ground, I would get a Westy as those extra beds in the roof and the interior fittings are far better compared to the cheapened devon chipboard stuff.

the only problem of course if the fact that as stated early devons (not made from panel vans) are likely to have lived here for 30 years and will have been patched up an dwelded. if done properly, no issues but god there are so many bodgers out there you need to be very careful.

as a side issue, there is a late bay on ebay and the guy wants £6.5k for it. My mate worked on the engine and say it is knackered (stated as recently overhauled) and body is good (though it has been painted with a roller all over and the interior is scruffy)

BEST OF LUCK
 
i think the conversions comparison is down to ones personal choice,you have to look at several and make the choice,westys are the dogs but i think if you get an early devon then the quality of interior is superb,they look very period,have a look here on the last forsale page this is one of the best devon moonrakers you will see.steve.
http://www.wolfsburgvw.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
this is one of the best devon moonrakers you will see



oh my god!!! you are not exagerating Steve....that is amazing,its almost museum worthy... what sort of money will that go up for?
 
I agree with the above totally ! I have been camping in my 69 Devon Caravette for the past 28 years and it is showing very little signs of wear, lovely solid conversion (cooker and easicool box but no sink) - I replaced the concertina roof many years ago for a full length side lift double bed roof - no leaks !

See pics showing my van with the still-original interior on the ebay for sale link in the 'bay watch' thread....
 
that crossover is truely stunning :shock: , what about that the interior! it looks like its never been used :shock: flawless

wonderful :D
 
what about that the interior! it looks like its never been used flawless

it hasnt been camped in and the roof had never been used,it is unreal to see in the flesh,i doubt there are any better than this,i have a westy the red one on the previous pages with the small poptop thats as good but lhd.
 
i found it hard to see all the images on your site as they appeared as unavailable, so i hope you dont mind i made a gallery...

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putting in the history section as well. Ive never seen one this pristine. i take it it was never restored? the oak looks like new
 
hi no its never been restored and has a genuine 19000 miles from new.thanks for posting the pics,in those shots the colour looks different shades but it all the same,that day was very sunny and my camera isnt the best,the paint is very nice for 36 years old and would be a shame to repaint it as the condition is original.price is over £20k im afraid but when you compare it to how much a restored bus costs and then one of those ugly new bays its very cheep in my opinion.but some may think its expensive.vans like these only come around once in a lifetime though.
 

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