Red9 coil over lowering kit

[VeeDubMan]

71/2 differed in the caliper mountings....but to fit the later brakes a spacer can be fitted to 71 spindles or just fit the later spindles with the latter brakes a lot cheaper route....

I fitted the different caliper mounts and the later (cheaper!) brake calipers just thought that i would eventually fit the later (cheaper) discs.

Having seen the state of my discs and calipers, I'm thinking of swapping to later parts too. So, please tell me:

- the spacer: Is it for the caliper or the disc?
- the differet caliper mount: Same things as the spacer above? If so, where do you get them?
- can later discs be fitted to a '71 spindle? If so, is there any increase in track?
- aren't later discs thicker so discs and calipers have to go together?

Cheers

Steve

 

[cyberdyne systems]

71/2 differed in the caliper mountings....but to fit the later brakes a spacer can be fitted to 71 spindles or just fit the later spindles with the latter brakes a lot cheaper route....

I fitted the different caliper mounts and the later (cheaper!) brake calipers just thought that i would eventually fit the later (cheaper) discs.

Having seen the state of my discs and calipers, I'm thinking of swapping to later parts too. So, please tell me:

- the spacer: Is it for the caliper or the disc?
- the differet caliper mount: Same things as the spacer above? If so, where do you get them?
- can later discs be fitted to a '71 spindle? If so, is there any increase in track?
- aren't later discs thicker so discs and calipers have to go together?

Cheers

Steve

I think its the size of the bolts to mount the caliper that changed plus the disk as you say, so you can install a bush to allow the fitment of the late caliper to early spindle and use the new pads but retain the early disks. Of course if you supply a late spindle then the whole lot can be swapped.

Here is an example of what i'm saying: http://www.justkampers.com/shop/type_2_bay/caliper-kit-both-sides.html

 

[VeeDubMan]

Having seen the state of my discs and calipers, I'm thinking of swapping to later parts too. So, please tell me:

- the spacer: Is it for the caliper or the disc?
- the differet caliper mount: Same things as the spacer above? If so, where do you get them?
- can later discs be fitted to a '71 spindle? If so, is there any increase in track?
- aren't later discs thicker so discs and calipers have to go together?

Cheers

Steve

I think its the size of the bolts to mount the caliper that changed plus the disk as you say, so you can install a bush to allow the fitment of the late caliper to early spindle and use the new pads but retain the early disks. Of course if you supply a late spindle then the whole lot can be swapped.

Here is an example of what i'm saying: http://www.justkampers.com/shop/type_2_bay/caliper-kit-both-sides.html

Cool, thanks for that. So, should I be able to use later discs on my 71 spindles too? See http://www.justkampers.com/shop/type_2_bay/front-brake-disc-1.html.

 

[Araon]

The spacers purely move the centreline of the bigger calipers directly in line with the brakes I have the dimensions somewhere, I believe its in the region of 5mm, the later discs are indeed thicker but the pistons are also 4mm longer on the later calipers....

 

[froggy]

I think its the size of the bolts to mount the caliper that changed plus the disk as you say, so you can install a bush to allow the fitment of the late caliper to early spindle and use the new pads but retain the early disks. Of course if you supply a late spindle then the whole lot can be swapped.

Here is an example of what i'm saying: http://www.justkampers.com/shop/type_2_bay/caliper-kit-both-sides.html[/quote]
This is the kit i used to swap mine to the later type calipers, i will eventually swap the front spindles aswell as the later discs are also cheaper (more readily available).
Not a hard job to do, thikn this is the route IF i decide to go drop spindles but ............

 

[Hilly_70]

.. Ok ..

I have bought into this now .. I can see how this seems the safest method of a reasonable drop without losing ride quality .. and with my beam off i was gonna fit adjusters, but i think im gonna save for some of these instead ( especially when red9 are just down the road from me! ) ..

My only niggle is a good point from froggy .. all the weight of the bus on the front shock mounts .... mmmm this does make me think a little as its not what they were designed for ..

Do you think its a good point or am i being a bit of a girl about it and worrying too much ..

Cheers chaps

Hilly

 

[Joval]

If Red9 are local I'd arrange a visit, and have all your questions answered.

 

[Araon]

If your that worried is there not a chance you can weld a gusset on the lower mount?

 

[Hilly_70]

If Red9 are local I'd arrange a visit, and have all your questions answered.

i think thats the answer ..

Hilly

 

[froggy]

I recently spoke to Red9 about the all weight being on the front shock mounts, and to be totally honest Trevor ( i think, anyway Simon's Dad) talked me through all my concerns in Plain english, no BS, no patronising sales bumph and explained how it all works, how it fits, how they set them up for the correct stance and all the testing they have had done before gong to market.
If it wasn;t for my change in circumstances (the wife being pregnant and the money set aside now being used for the interior) then this is the kit i would (Will be, when money available) be fitting.
I also asked Trevor about the use of bump stops and he said (in his own words) that the shocks have there own bump stops integrated but for peice of mind one of the main garages they use recommends fitting them.

I looked at all the ways to lower my bay and i all the different ways have horror stories about a friend of a friend of a friend that had this problem or that problem but when mine is lowered it will be with the red 9 system!

If your local go and visit them, failing that ring them, they put my warped mind at rest

 

[ant]

Simon(red9) was here yesterday and i got a say for those of you that are going to dubfreeze, you gotta check out his trade stand(he's up on the balcony)....

another option for the front end! and looks awesome 8)

Imagine a bay version of this and you will close..... 8)

 

[Araon]

now that would be an interesting proposition....not cheap though....

 

[Joval]

Very interesting... :mrgreen:

 

[Sittingonthedockofthe BAY]

Any 1 answer this in the next 5 min would be handy as i am under the van.....which way do i adjust the nuts to make the van lower do i move them down or up getting myself confused lol....

 

[Joval]

Move the collars down.

 

[Sittingonthedockofthe BAY]

cheers buddy wheel back of then :shock:

 

[Hilly_70]

Emailed Simonabout the thoughts on the shock bolt taking all the weight and he explained that the force at the shock mount, doesn't actually change .. the laws of physics still exert the same force at each point as with standard set up ... the only difference being, if the shock collapses or bolt snaps, the its on its arse ... pretty much like any modern car then!

.. well he convinced me .. ive ordered one and gonna pick it up when i get paid though ..

I read pink panthers thread re ride comfort and it did make me think, but i guess your gonna get that with any lowering, so as long as i prepare for it, then i wont be disappointed .. i think this is currently the safest way of doing it ..

Only the 2 - 4 kit though!! sorry slammers!

Hilly

 

[dubdubz]

not into physics - but not convinced that the loads remain the same....the torsion leaves reduce the load on the shock bolts due to what they are designed to do.

if you remove the torsion leaves the van wants to drop - obviously.

I'm lazy do red9 do bump stops for the Ant type narrowed beam with plate ends.........ok I'll go look!! [no is the answer btw]

**edit:- I'm not knocking anything btw...I actually like the Red9 kit lots....it makes me laugh though if you look through the various forum threads on this....all the people saying the lower shock mount is a failure point blah blah blah...but all the people with lowered front beams that have REMOVED the bumpstops, and therefore created the same scenario with just a different failure point....the adjuster!

and we do have record of these failing........
I've got some creative adjusters and the quality isn't great [I'll need to tickle the teeth with a dremel to get an excellent fit] but the teeth are much better than some I've seen......**

 

[Hilly_70]

So has anyone heard tell of the shock mounts failing with the red9 ... :shock: :shock:

.. Simon mentiond you need to remove the bump stops ... does that include the arms or just the bungs ..?


Ta

Hilly

 

[Graham L]

Simon mentiond you need to remove the bump stops ... does that include the arms or just the bungs ..?

I think you'll find its both, if you look on their site they do replacement bump stops, I think Joval posted some pictures of his on this thread or another one, they are listed on the Red 9 Website

Just found the picture on page 4 of this thread