Salvageable panels out a 72 Cross Over for an EB?

[reezvaan]

Wondering what panels exactly one could salvage from a 1972 Cross Over for an early bay? Front Panel is one for instance. Is Engine Lid/Tail Gate on a 72 same as on a 69 EB? How about front doors and the slider?

Need to know this because I am considering to buy a cheap 1972 cross over to salvage these bits for my 69er. The deal is obviously lot cheaper than to buy the individual panels and bringing them in, so the whole point.

Here is the van in question:

sorry abt the low quality pics but thats all i got at the moment. thanks

 

[ozziedog]

I broke a 72 that was well past it`s sell by date, which was a real shame. From memory I think all the openers like doors and stuff will fit but I don`t think they are quite correct. The bumpers were the same but I think the irons on the front were a little different as were the belly and pedal pans. The glass was all the same and so was the roof panel, I think the rear arches were different and depending on where abouts in the year I think the rear panel was a little different. The seats were similar as is the engine and box, the suspension and on out to the running gear is similar but slightly different. The fuse box and most of the electrics and dash pod were the same, carpets etc the same, pedals slightly different I think, steering box the same and worth its weight in gold if it`s good. Steering wheel and column is different but a lot of the switches and knobs were the same, heater and controls the same, but it also depends where it was made as there are some unusual models about made in crossover years with all sorts of vagories. If you buy it and you use some stuff then you done good, but if you buy it and use nuffink then maybe not so good, don`t forget this bus is also forty or more years old. How is the market for VW spares over there ? is it hard or non existent ? I`ve got a rare as RHD Westy interior for sale but because it`s so rare,, no one needs it :lol:

Ozziedog,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Seasons greetings, now wait for someone clever to come along :lol: :mrgreen: :lol:

 

[reezvaan]

The VW Spares market for vans is virtually non-existent. So I am not counting on selling whatever is left after I have used whatever I need. But then there are smaller bits that can be posted to anywhere in the world like so many of my parts & fabrications so probably I would be able to sell some smaller stuff off it (but that may be a decade worth of plan??).

Thanks, you detailed pretty much everything. The van is made in Germany like all other vans that were delivered here in Pakistan. Engine # is C-3000508 so that gives me some idea about its rough date of manufacture (haven't seen the m-code plate yet). I think its worth a shot at less than a £1000 delivered price as only the front clip, tail gate, engine lid and steering box (parts that I'm eyeing on if salvageable) would be worth the money I would be paying for me. The only thing that keeps me from buying it for a chop is the fact that the van is told to be somehow on road and can be restored in itself.

Also, this only the 2nd cross over that I personally know of in the whole country so have to take this into consideration too, because this itself is a reason enough to not to chop it off

 

[martin.sim]

Hi
I've recently broke a 72 bus (still got loads in my garage) & have now got a 70 bus, you'd be surprised by all the little differences ie the engine lid for one.... Still worth a punt depending on what you plan to salvage


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Why didn't I buy my bus years ago !?

 

[aogrady]

The VW Spares market for vans is virtually non-existent. So I am not counting on selling whatever is left after I have used whatever I need. But then there are smaller bits that can be posted to anywhere in the world like so many of my parts & fabrications so probably I would be able to sell some smaller stuff off it (but that may be a decade worth of plan??).

Thanks, you detailed pretty much everything. The van is made in Germany like all other vans that were delivered here in Pakistan. Engine # is C-3000508 so that gives me some idea about its rough date of manufacture (haven't seen the m-code plate yet). I think its worth a shot at less than a £1000 delivered price as only the front clip, tail gate, engine lid and steering box (parts that I'm eyeing on if salvageable) would be worth the money I would be paying for me. The only thing that keeps me from buying it for a chop is the fact that the van is told to be somehow on road and can be restored in itself.

Also, this only the 2nd cross over that I personally know of in the whole country so have to take this into consideration too, because this itself is a reason enough to not to chop it off

Hi,

If the van is that cheap, and you can weld it up, restore it a little, maybe you can just sell it on at a profit, and use the money to get whatever you need for your early? Plenty of dealers selling panels. Which panels to you need that would mean you having to chop up a bus to get them? Seems a shame to chop up a good bus if they are rare other there, as you say there isn't really a market for 2nd hand stuff, so surely fixing it up would be better?

Good luck anyway!

Alistair

 

[reezvaan]

Hi
I've recently broke a 72 bus (still got loads in my garage) & have now got a 70 bus, you'd be surprised by all the little differences ie the engine lid for one.... Still worth a punt depending on what you plan to salvage


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Why didn't I buy my bus years ago !?

Minor differences are quite understandable as they gradually were transitioning from Early to Late Bay. I plan on salvaging the full front clip upto roof, tail gate, engine lid, steering box and perhaps the front suspension (disc brake setup). Could also make use of doors with slider if not too bad, though the slider looks to be in need of some repair.

So atleast one of my query is answered that engine lid might not be the same as the early one as you said there were slight differences?

 

[ozziedog]

Although the steering box is the same, and the disc brake set up may appear attractive, there is a fair bit to change over and some of it may not be in such good shape. Without a bit of bother, you will end up with wide five 205 pcd on the rear and not on the front, as this is when they changed from 205 pcd to 112 pcd as well as all the other little changes. You could start the air cooled revolution over there and be the main man for importing and stuff. You`ll be rich :lol:

Ozziedog,,,,,,,,,,,,,Just a thought or two,,, whilst sobering up :lol: :mrgreen: :lol:

 

[reezvaan]

Hi,

If the van is that cheap, and you can weld it up, restore it a little, maybe you can just sell it on at a profit, and use the money to get whatever you need for your early? Plenty of dealers selling panels. Which panels to you need that would mean you having to chop up a bus to get them? Seems a shame to chop up a good bus if they are rare other there, as you say there isn't really a market for 2nd hand stuff, so surely fixing it up would be better?

Good luck anyway!

Alistair

Van is that cheap alright, and yes as you can see the thought of chopping it up is not without remorse but then I dont think that there is a market here enough for its resale even if I welded it up a little to make some kind of profit to fund my original 69er project that happens to be country's oldest known surviving bay. So this option rather seems overruled.

Yep there are plenty of dealers selling panels but only for the full front clip upto roof, i was quoted £1800!!!! Not to mention the costs involved in bringing it in from UK to Pakistan which trust me isn't cheap at all. A good rot free tailgate is say another £100+pnp, the engine lid another £100+pnp and then the steering box say another £250-300+pnp. So you see we're talking about £2300 in total excluding postage to Pakistan which I am sure wouldn't be anything less than £700-800 for the lot. So you see £1000 vs. £3100 seems a wiser choice?

Having said that, I am still not totally bent of chopping the van off, just considering if it would be sane to chop an on road bus to complete a project which is a touch more worth saving.

 

[reezvaan]

Although the steering box is the same, and the disc brake set up may appear attractive, there is a fair bit to change over and some of it may not be in such good shape. Without a bit of bother, you will end up with wide five 205 pcd on the rear and not on the front, as this is when they changed from 205 pcd to 112 pcd as well as all the other little changes. You could start the air cooled revolution over there and be the main man for importing and stuff. You`ll be rich :lol:

Ozziedog,,,,,,,,,,,,,Just a thought or two,,, whilst sobering up :lol: :mrgreen: :lol:

Yep I would be facing two different PCDs at front and rear but then I do adaptors myself so I am sure I can do a pair of adaptors to convert 112 to 205 for front and resolve this issue.

Well thanks to my projects, I am already bringing in a lot of parts for Beetles, Trekkers & Bays to keep them on road, even for others in the hobby. But trust me it isn't cheap. Even the tiniest bits bought cheaply all over Europe/Americas, when delivered are not so cheap due to costly postage and the unfavourable FOREX. You will not believe that to date, I have paid over £2600 in postage whether within UK or from UK to Pakistan for £6000 worth of parts that I have bought over the last 6/7 months for my 69er alone.

I am a salaried individual striving to keep the VW spirit alive in this part of world so you see I am not left with huge moneys to spare to bring in even more. I support my hobby either by fabricating/selling VW related bits or by spending from my salary.

 

[Tofufi]

The engine lid on a '72 is totally different - shorter by a couple of inches. I've a feeling the tailgate hinge spacing is different too, but not 100% sure.

That '72 looks better than my van - too good to cut up, especially in a place where they're that uncommon... :shock:

(AND it's RHD!)

 

[davechorlton]

Front end will be pretty ,much the same with exception of the brakes. Bumper, front panel, pedals, cab floor etc all the same. the arches are different in that they have a flared lip over arch. Doors should be same, although hinges changed now and then.

Rear is mostly from a late. One year only engine lid and rear bumper. Slider may well fit but not be identical, but I am still lost as to when changes were made here. I have found over the years that my crossover is pretty much early front late rear.

There are a number of parts that you would be able to sell on. The front calipers are often in demand, the rear bumper and bumper irons are also expensive, and the engine tinware is too. If the front arches are any good at all they will command a decent price, engine lid too.

Go for it if it gives you what you want and you have space - you'll get your money back in spares. Having said that it does seem a shame to kill off another bus......

dave

 

[davechorlton]

Of course having read your post properly...ignore me -if there is no market then you obviously wont get your money back as easily, but as you say cheaper than buying parts. I would agree with Alistair - see if you can salvage and make a few bob....

 

[gvee]

Tailgate is different on a '72. It is the same size and shape, but the hinge placement is different.

Engine lid is very different (it is shorter and wider) due to the non-removeable valance and wider rear end.

Rear bumper is different, but not massively. You'll definitely have to redrill the holes if you want to mount it to an earlier model.

Font panel should be the same but worth noting that the front chassis legs are not.

Cab doors and slider should be identical. There are minor differences in doors depending on model but the hinges didn't change for a couple of years past '72.

Obviously the braking system is quite different as '72 has disks an a the narrow-five stud pattern.

Steering box should be the same (I think)?

All the windows are identical (unless one was converted from a panel van).

HTH

 

[reezvaan]

Looks like there is no point in chopping an on road cross over for panels then, since the panels in question are all different, no matter how minor the differences are. So may I say, the motion is rejected!

Thanks everyone for useful advices and for the help achieving a verdict.

 

[aogrady]

Looks like there is no point in chopping an on road cross over for panels then, since the panels in question are all different, no matter how minor the differences are. So may I say, the motion is rejected!

Thanks everyone for useful advices and for the help achieving a verdict.

Are you still gonna get the bus though, maybe you could still make some money on it? Just out of interest, how much would it be to ship to the UK? Maybe it's worth much more over here, as it's a RHD bus? Just a thought, may be too expensive on shipping, dont know. maybe you could do a deal with someone, swap good panels for your bus? Maybe a dealer in the UK? Or just someone wanteing a RHD bus cheap?

Cheers,

Alistair

 

[reezvaan]

Are you still gonna get the bus though, maybe you could still make some money on it? Just out of interest, how much would it be to ship to the UK? Maybe it's worth much more over here, as it's a RHD bus? Just a thought, may be too expensive on shipping, dont know. maybe you could do a deal with someone, swap good panels for your bus? Maybe a dealer in the UK? Or just someone wanteing a RHD bus cheap?

Cheers,

Alistair

Yes I have plans to acquire the bus and put it into storage until I am done with my EB project. Have been gathering details from PO and all in this context.

Being only 2nd known surviving cross over of the country, its too valuable to be left alone for choppers who would sooner or later get to it eventually as it has been the fate of many alike in the past where the seller didn't find a buyer, and sent them to choppers for metal.

Perhaps I would be able to get back to it in storage in coming years.

I will have to check on how much would it cost to get it shipped to UK as have never shipped a vehicle out of country before.


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[martin.sim]

I thought the steering box is different too... Could be wrong mind


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Why didn't I buy my bus years ago !?

 

[ozziedog]

Steering box is the same, or it was on the 72 crosser I broke a year or so back

Ozziedog,,,,,,,,, :mrgreen:

 

[Graham L]

In terms of structure a 72 is identical up to the c post ( rear of sliding door) as an earlier bus but the final section is all different, chassis rails, tailgate, engine lid, rear corners etc etc.

The front arches are different but apart from that the rest of it up front is all useable if you choose to break it.

You mention it being the 2nd surviving crossover as though they are rare not sure whether you mean we're you are or in general as this is a complete myth, 72 MY was the largest single year of production including the late bay years, close to 300,000 were built, crossovers are not rare.

 

[reezvaan]

Graham, I was referring to it as only the 2nd known surviving cross over of the country (Pakistan), not of the world :lol: