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Cue james p to justify his wages :lol: :lol:

Only joking james, you write some good stuff ;)
But still i agree with ^^ a little more detail is never a bad thing ;)
 
I just read a very similar thread on The Late Bay this morning. This was my reply.


VolksWorld seem to be getting a hard time on here lately.

Surely if you don't like it just don't buy it, constant slagging the magazine off will stop people giving it a try and maybe enjoying it (Like I do).

There was a poll on what mags you read and everyone put their 50p's worth in so why carrie on? The VW scene is small enough and Im sure the constructive comments will have filtered through to them by now.

When resto company's etc.. get bad mouthed on here people step in and stop it. I think its a good thing so maybe its best just to let readers make there own minds up.

Remember if everyone boycotts Volks World it would be the end of the VolksWorld show which many Early/Late Bayer's enjoy and many other events they sponsor.

Rant over
 
nedfaux said:
I just read a very similar thread on The Late Bay this morning. This was my reply.


VolksWorld seem to be getting a hard time on here lately.

Surely if you don't like it just don't buy it, constant slagging the magazine off will stop people giving it a try and maybe enjoying it (Like I do).

There was a poll on what mags you read and everyone put their 50p's worth in so why carrie on? The VW scene is small enough and Im sure the constructive comments will have filtered through to them by now.

When resto company's etc.. get bad mouthed on here people step in and stop it. I think its a good thing so maybe its best just to let readers make there own minds up.

Remember if everyone boycotts Volks World it would be the end of the VolksWorld show which many Early/Late Bayer's enjoy and many other events they sponsor.

Rant over

Wouldn't say people have been 'constantly slagging off the magazine' ??
As you say 'if you don't like it don't buy it' but then are we guilty of 'boycotting volksworld' ??
I'm really not sure a few opinions on here and the late bay are gonna influence whats published in volksworld anyway?
But pick up an old copy of the mag or the keeping your bus alive 1 and compare it to the latest publications and tell me there is nothing to complain about - we are British after all :msn4:
 
r73 said:
nedfaux said:
I just read a very similar thread on The Late Bay this morning. This was my reply.


VolksWorld seem to be getting a hard time on here lately.

Surely if you don't like it just don't buy it, constant slagging the magazine off will stop people giving it a try and maybe enjoying it (Like I do).

There was a poll on what mags you read and everyone put their 50p's worth in so why carrie on? The VW scene is small enough and Im sure the constructive comments will have filtered through to them by now.

When resto company's etc.. get bad mouthed on here people step in and stop it. I think its a good thing so maybe its best just to let readers make there own minds up.

Remember if everyone boycotts Volks World it would be the end of the VolksWorld show which many Early/Late Bayer's enjoy and many other events they sponsor.

Rant over

Wouldn't say people have been 'constantly slagging off the magazine' ??
As you say 'if you don't like it don't buy it' but then are we guilty of 'boycotting volksworld' ??
I'm really not sure a few opinions on here and the late bay are gonna influence whats published in volksworld anyway?
But pick up an old copy of the mag or the keeping your bus alive 1 and compare it to the latest publications and tell me there is nothing to complain about - we are British after all :msn4:


My post probably seems a little out of context on here as it is from a discussion on the late bay they and had already had this discussed a week or so before in which VolksWorld took the brunt.

I know writers for Volksworld use these two forums and Im sure they would pass on comments, Volksworld would be pretty foolish not to let this sort of thing influence the magazine content.

But as you say we are British after all. :D
 
Didn't realise it had been discussed in a more widespread fashion over on the late bay bud.
8)
 
I`ve been buying ipc media since 1989.I will continue to do so as i believe they are by far the best organised, best written and best supported within "the scene" in fact if it were`nt for people like Ivan then " the scene" would have been something completely different.
That said i used to advertise every month but having been treated like a turd on a shoe i have stopped(thats business).The price for advertising has dropped by over 30% and as a business person i appreciate the need to balance the books....its just a sign of the times guys and as always the magazine is producing what we all really want to see.Take a look at any of the early mags and they were FULL of ads
Maybe just maybe, though, they do need a kick up the backside.I know for a fact that theres been a huge shift in the marketing personnel...maybe just maybe this has happened alonside the editor getting an ultimatum too.
I LOVE VOLKSWORLD AND WANT THEM TO LIVE FOREVER how can you have a vw scene without volksworld?
:evil: SACRILEDGE
 
As a relative newcomer to the VW scene (May 2011) I have found Camper and Bus particularly helpful and inspiring, especially the road trip reports and stories based on typical/real reader's buses. What does turn me off to an extent are the now familiar 'show' buses that seem to crop up repeatedly, and the articles that are nothing less than advertisements for the authors latest fave garage. Mostly south of Watford, I might add.

Like many others, I have a subscription and look forward to it dropping through my letterbox. Not sure how long that will continue though.

BTW - how do you get the tagline above your picture in your postings...its bugging me :?:
 
nedfaux said:
r73 said:
Didn't realise it had been discussed in a more widespread fashion over on the late bay bud.
8)

Its not like that :)
Nah! I was trying to be tactful :msn4: we're a bit more subtle over here, low lights and small lenses!! :lol: :lol:
 
Bit bored with it to be honest, can't be bothered to read the last one I bought, so a timley post for me.

Not easy getting a balance I'm sure, but i do feel that the articles are a bit light weight....I may come back to it like I have EVO mag recently. They know how to write an article IMO.
 
takes me about 10 mins to read it in tescos during my lunchbreak. wouldn't pay for it: too many adverts/too little content.
 
Im feeling the vibe here, having bought all the mags for years now i cant remember a time when i didnt want to rush out and get the latest issue but recently ive missed a couple of issues and dont feel any worse for it.

Ive had a feature in C&B (which was basically the copy they asked me to write with the pictures they took) and i submitted a road trip story which they used word for word and printed my photos (and paid me for, which was unexpected and a nice touch)

Recently there seems to be alot of van features which seem to be just adverts for traders and dosent make for the interesting reading like a story about a bus thats seen some action with the owner. Any way like i said ive got the latest issue of both IPC publications but dont think ive even properly looked at the months before, when i used to read them cover to cover, so maybe thats answered it for me.
 
i am finding that the times i could allot myself to read a mag has disappeared due to external pressures etc. i still buy pvw, volksworld, and camper and bus every month. but it does feel like a chore just to read any of them, and i find that when i get chance i have 9 of them to read.
i do however think that these publications give our scene a foundation to keep it together, and as such will keep buying them. I would hate to think when i finally have time to start reading them again, they would be gone.
look at max power, redline etc.
they have all gone, and that was about the only thing chavs of today actually read (if only it was looking at pics of boobs etc).

if adverts are what it takes to balance the books and keep it running, then im fine with it. I wouldnt like to think the writers were getting overly rich off of it (which i dont think is the case) so i am cool with it.

a bit more content would be nice (more for me to not read) at least i can read it cover to cover at the mo in about an hour :lol: .
 
I tend to agree with most of what's been said.
On the subject of content, I had a gripe at the lack of decent photo's (only 7) in a Nov issue feature of cool DC split so I pinged off an email.
Got a reply from JP and a letter of the month prize too (must have been light on letters that month!) :lol:
Don't think it made much difference and he pointed out the artistic/lifestyle angle they try to glean from the shots.
basically, you can't please all of the people all of the time!
The writing is a bit floury and similar IMO and the articles are light on technical content, but that's just me speaking as an ex-mechanic.

Bottom line is if you got a complaint give em some feedback. If enough people write it may be noticed and maybe they'll listen and tweak a few things. ads pay the bills that's life.
 
Too many Transits or T4 & T5's or whatever they call them,therefore I don't even read all of the articles. Maaaaaybe an early 25 if there's something special about it or a story associated to it.

Snow pikey's thread on here, now that's what I call interesting reading and a great article!!! Not a 5 year old Transporter given a re spray, lowered and a set of clear indicator lenses!!???



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Doris said:
Too many Transits or T4 & T5's or whatever they call them,therefore I don't even read all of the articles. Maaaaaybe an early 25 if there's something special about it or a story associated to it.

Snow pikey's thread on here, now that's what I call interesting reading and a great article!!! Not a 5 year old Transporter given a re spray, lowered and a set of clear indicator lenses!!???



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Can you put up a link to that thread please I cant find it :D
 
nedfaux said:
Found it.. Great thread :D

That is such a great read, if you could do it in installments would still be 8) as 8) can be. Might even generate some return business in the fact that peeps would want the next issue for a reason ^^^ :mrgreen: Just a thought :mrgreen:

Ozziedog,,,,,,,,,,, Do like a good story :mrgreen: ;) :mrgreen:
 
ozziedog said:
nedfaux said:
Found it.. Great thread :D

That is such a great read, if you could do it in installments would still be 8) as 8) can be. Might even generate some return business in the fact that peeps would want the next issue for a reason ^^^ :mrgreen: Just a thought :mrgreen:

Ozziedog,,,,,,,,,,, Do like a good story :mrgreen: ;) :mrgreen:

I pm'd him :D Thats just the sort of story we like Its the way our mag is its more about home builds and stories. This way allot of the content is submitted so the advertising/sponsorship pays the costs and we can give the mag away for free. Then everyone wins :D Advertisers get to show there products and you guys get a free mag to read.

It would be good to get more of the Earlybay in there anyway. :D
 
If I may be so bold as to add my thoughts?

Whether you buy a magazine or not is entirely up to you. It's the same about an event. Like it or loathe it, it is up to you whether you go/buy or not. As an individual, if you decide to keep on buying or not you will not have a great effect upon a magazine's existence. Only as a group large enough to have an impact will you have any lasting effect. Requesting a magazine reduce its advertising content is a waste of your time. It will never happen. Not until it's on the verge of sliding over the edge.

A magazine doesn't exist for the scene. It exists because of the scene. Popular magazines are rarely started before there is a scene and enough support from the public and industry to keep them afloat! That's the general rule - and there will be the odd exception.

A magazine contributes to a scene by passing on information. It seeks to educate, entertain and amuse. As a by-product it can take up a role to encourage others to participate in the scene - good for the scene and good for itself, if it can convert those people into paying customers.

People are what make the scene combined with the magazines (to a small extent) and the shows (to a large extent). The shows make the scene more of what it is than the magazines. Take away all the shows and the scene is no more. Take away the magazines and all we're left with is no magazines. We still have shows. We still have a scene.

VW businesses exist because of the scene, not because of the magazines. They can get a lift in sales through the magazines, but most would not fall apart because the magazines suddenly collapsed - other than those who rely 100% on either the repeated 'good word' or the income derived from adverts placed in the magazines. Do you think VW Heritage (as an example of a large business) would collapse if all major magazines collapsed? No, of course not. When was the last time you saw an advert for Laurie Pettitt, master engine builder? And yet how many engines has that man built, I wonder, without the help of a piece of paper or a written good word?

A large magazine title exists wholly to make a profit - achieved through magazine sales and advertising income, plus any other means - a profitable show perhaps? It does not exist to keep its own people in work (it just has to - a by-product the accountants would love to see reduced in cost!). At the end of the day it must pay its share of rents, rates, insurances, printers, employees, management staff, plus other costs, etc. but its objective is not to exist to pay them. It exists to make a profit and to pay its shareholders or owners - the vast majority of which couldn't give a flying monkey about your VW scene - they're the ones that don't drive cars like you and I, and probably look down on rusty Bays!

Free online magazines are unusual in that they seem to buck the trend. However, they too need to create wealth - for the writers, the managers, the owners... etc. No wealth means no growth, after a while. That's why we've decided to sell issue #4 of Aircoooled Classics - VW & Porsche. But our ratio of advertisers to content will always be restricted. Have you seen issue #3? How's that for a small ratio? http://www.acmag.co.uk And we're not even charging you to read issue #3!

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