Help i need drop spindles!!!

[the councillor]

I know you all, and will awhile uphold
The unyoked humour of your idleness.
Yet herein will I imitate the sun,
Who doth permit the base contagious clouds
To smother up his beauty from the world,
That when he please again to be himself,
Being wanted, he may be more wondered at
By breaking through the foul and ugly mists
Of vapours that did seem to strangle him.
If all the year were playing holidays,
To sport would be as tedious as to work;
But when they seldom come, they wished-for come,
And nothing pleaseth but rare accidents.
So, when this loose behaviour I throw off
And pay the debt I never promisèd,
By how much better than my word I am,
By so much shall I falsify men's hopes;
And like bright metal on a sullen ground,
My reformation, glitt'ring o'er my fault,
Shall show more goodly and attract more eyes
Than that which hath no foil to set it off.
I'll so offend to make offence a skill,
Redeeming time when men think least I will.

 

[freddie]

aah... the penny drops... i get it now 8)

this is all coursework for you then ? one big social experiment :shock:

well, you can tell your tutor that you had the whole of the internet falling over themselves to offer you advice, and you're well on your way to that 2:1 :mrgreen:

now get in the bloody thing and drive it man :roll:

:lol:

I prance around on stage, i dont do social experiments :lol:

 

[Loxy]

if you want rid of the councillor just post up a picture of a big spider

 

[Joval]

if you want rid of the councillor just post up a picture of a big spider

Does the reverse work? It's spiders I don't like.

 

[easy]

if you want rid of the councillor just post up a picture of a big spider

Does the reverse work? It's spiders I don't like.

:lol: :lol: ....................probably! sorry dood

 

[uber cool]

Freddie,

As you have guessed suspension of a hot topic with many reviews.

Its usually the word. 'slammed' ,'cheap' and 'no knowledge' that gets most folks to throw toys out of prams.
My pet hate I the word 'slam tyre'. Whereas what they really mean is a smart car tyre that is now on a 2T commerical vehicle (cos that is waht your camper is). Smart car tyre not beeing correctly rated for the load.

If you do have smart car or just car tyres fitted please dont say so, as that will start everyone off again.

As for height over comfort, the 2" raise I did with coilovers transformed the ride quailty and I wouldnt go back that low, even those it does look really good.

 

[Araon]

Just dug out an old manual for a bug and forgot how damned good it was the exploded views are superb, may be worth searching for an Autodata manual for your bus.....


just checked on line and you'll get change from your £20 just ordered one for myself......

 

[freddie]

:lol:

Cheers ubercool, for now im gonna have to risk driving round on my cut and welded beam, the ride isnt really that bumpy either!!! Maybe the sports shocks help quite a bit.

Thanks for youe help everyone, suspention really does get everyone talking :lol:

And dont worry, i wont be posting any pictures of spiders.... yet

 

[dubdubz]

if your centre bush on the beams was free - when the work was done - then you could drill a fresh hole about 15-16 round from the existing grub screw holes and jack up suspension, insert grub screw through new hole.

mine was lowered this way originally - a 2 height setting beam if you will.......

however if your centre boss is still spotwelded - the above is more rubbish than a rubbish thing being rubbish.

 

[the councillor]

mate... just reading your 'readers' rides' over on volkszone...

"I am hoping to buy an ajustable splitty beam next month, then i can slamm her to the ground without a worry"

a year or so ago, i tried to 'help' someone of a similar age and experience to you over on there, who was just seemingly randomly buying up all sorts of goodies with a view to building a very low bus with all sorts of brake, engine and suspension mods; no, no, mind your own business, i know what i'm doing, low this low that and all the rest of it, so i just butted out.

over the last few months lots of the above parts have trickled back into the for sale section, as he finds out they're not suitable, or incompatible, and he'll get much less back for them than he paid, which is a damn shame.

if you do buy an adjustable splitty beam, then yes you'll have eliminated the problem of balljoints bottoming out, although don't think that the 'earlier' system had some sort of 'bottomless porridge pot' of suspension travel... but then how are you gonna stop your tyres hitting the sides of the wheelarches ? ah, so you'll need a narrowed beam too. but you'll still get to a stage where you'll run into scrubline issues with the extreme angle of the trailing arms taking the bottom of your rims above the bottom of your shocktowers / idler pin... so you'll need dropped spinndles then, K&L, balljoint or otherwise. but wait... your trackrods are gonna hit your chassis rails, so you're gonna need to notch and re-inforce them... are you any good at fabrication ? have you got a decent welding set-up at home ? what about the springplates slamming into the 'bumpstop' at the back ? you know your driveshafts are gonna hit the chassis rails at the back, so more notching and re-inforcement at the back then.

and so on.

and so on.

typed all this out 12 months ago... got largely ignored :roll:

have you ever wondered why there are so many people eulogising the slammed bus 'look', and throwing phrases like 'slam king' and 'praise the lowered' about, but there are so very few very low buses around ?

it's 'cos it's ******* difficult / a right pain in the arse to do... at home that is... the likes of T2D make it look simple, and i think that's half the problem :roll:

most people on 'the internet', given that it's such a fashionable subject at the moment, are gonna be egging you on, slam it ! slam it ! slam it ! because it's not the done thing to advise caution on such a matter at this point in time.

i don't mind sticking me head up over the parapet

research, research, research... don't end up wasting your money

 

[dubdubz]

+1

well done

to lower safely and keep a reasonable ride is like the holy grail.

beyond marginally lowered, say 6-8inches, it's starts getting very expensive and it's foolhardy to think it can be acheived on the 'cheap' as the councillor so eloquently versed......

you missed tubs :roll: which then means bespoke seat'age/pedal extensions.

I'm going for a low enough to fit my pocket, whilst maintaining the most safety and comfort I can also acheive at that given height. This may in real terms be the wagenwest dropped spindles, a mild rotation on the adjusters, and lower profile commercial tyres and and after all that expense and heartache only be 6inches lower.

but 6inches is a lot apparently............

mate... just reading your 'readers' rides' over on volkszone...

"I am hoping to buy an ajustable splitty beam next month, then i can slamm her to the ground without a worry"

a year or so ago, i tried to 'help' someone of a similar age and experience to you over on there, who was just seemingly randomly buying up all sorts of goodies with a view to building a very low bus with all sorts of brake, engine and suspension mods; no, no, mind your own business, i know what i'm doing, low this low that and all the rest of it, so i just butted out.

over the last few months lots of the above parts have trickled back into the for sale section, as he finds out they're not suitable, or incompatible, and he'll get much less back for them than he paid, which is a damn shame.

if you do buy an adjustable splitty beam, then yes you'll have eliminated the problem of balljoints bottoming out, although don't think that the 'earlier' system had some sort of 'bottomless porridge pot' of suspension travel... but then how are you gonna stop your tyres hitting the sides of the wheelarches ? ah, so you'll need a narrowed beam too. but you'll still get to a stage where you'll run into scrubline issues with the extreme angle of the trailing arms taking the bottom of your rims above the bottom of your shocktowers / idler pin... so you'll need dropped spinndles then, K&L, balljoint or otherwise. but wait... your trackrods are gonna hit your chassis rails, so you're gonna need to notch and re-inforce them... are you any good at fabrication ? have you got a decent welding set-up at home ? what about the springplates slamming into the 'bumpstop' at the back ? you know your driveshafts are gonna hit the chassis rails at the back, so more notching and re-inforcement at the back then.

and so on.

and so on.

typed all this out 12 months ago... got largely ignored :roll:

have you ever wondered why there are so many people eulogising the slammed bus 'look', and throwing phrases like 'slam king' and 'praise the lowered' about, but there are so very few very low buses around ?

it's 'cos it's ******* difficult / a right pain in the arse to do... at home that is... the likes of T2D make it look simple, and i think that's half the problem :roll:

most people on 'the internet', given that it's such a fashionable subject at the moment, are gonna be egging you on, slam it ! slam it ! slam it ! because it's not the done thing to advise caution on such a matter at this point in time.

i don't mind sticking me head up over the parapet

research, research, research... don't end up wasting your money

 

[uber cool]

Previous 2 post absolutely 100% correct. I'm going for a 2" to 4" drop and 1 spline at the rear.
Cost
Red 9 kit £350
low profile commercial tyres £250
15 " rims 2nd hand £100
new rear shocks £80

So cost £880, but dont tell the wife, I told here it cost £50 :lol:

 

[dubdubz]

low profile commercial tyres £250

what did you find in the end low[er] profile commercial tyre....soon to be buying them for mine but struggling to find anything close to the load rating in the profile.............

 

[uber cool]

Yes got the extra load rated tyres 185/65 x 15 £50 each fitted!

 

[dubdubz]

Yes got the extra load rated tyres 185/65 x 15 £50 each fitted!

make? was after a 60 profile if possible , what height is the sidewall roughly? sorry for all the q's but I have 195/55's I think which have aload rating of about 3 :shock:

 

[Slammed]

in the same way that i queried another forum user's assertion that he was going to 'keep an eye' on his welded spindles...

:lol:

 

[uber cool]

Yes got the extra load rated tyres 185/65 x 15 £50 each fitted!

make? was after a 60 profile if possible , what height is the sidewall roughly? sorry for all the q's but I have 195/55's I think which have aload rating of about 3 :shock:

Continental- Just remembered I have 60 on the front and 65 on the rear, both extra load continentals, I'll measure the side wall tonight. photo shows these tyres fitted.

 

[dubdubz]

Continental- Just remembered I have 60 on the front and 65 on the rear, both extra load continentals, I'll measure the side wall tonight. photo shows these tyres fitted.

nice - exactly what I need. If you don't mind I could do with the model too..looked on continental's site and cannot find anything with 60 profile [although probably looking in wrong place lol]

what loading is on too - pm if you wish

many many thanks

D

 

[freddie]

mate... just reading your 'readers' rides' over on volkszone...

"I am hoping to buy an ajustable splitty beam next month, then i can slamm her to the ground without a worry"

a year or so ago, i tried to 'help' someone of a similar age and experience to you over on there, who was just seemingly randomly buying up all sorts of goodies with a view to building a very low bus with all sorts of brake, engine and suspension mods; no, no, mind your own business, i know what i'm doing, low this low that and all the rest of it, so i just butted out.

over the last few months lots of the above parts have trickled back into the for sale section, as he finds out they're not suitable, or incompatible, and he'll get much less back for them than he paid, which is a damn shame.

if you do buy an adjustable splitty beam, then yes you'll have eliminated the problem of balljoints bottoming out, although don't think that the 'earlier' system had some sort of 'bottomless porridge pot' of suspension travel... but then how are you gonna stop your tyres hitting the sides of the wheelarches ? ah, so you'll need a narrowed beam too. but you'll still get to a stage where you'll run into scrubline issues with the extreme angle of the trailing arms taking the bottom of your rims above the bottom of your shocktowers / idler pin... so you'll need dropped spinndles then, K&L, balljoint or otherwise. but wait... your trackrods are gonna hit your chassis rails, so you're gonna need to notch and re-inforce them... are you any good at fabrication ? have you got a decent welding set-up at home ? what about the springplates slamming into the 'bumpstop' at the back ? you know your driveshafts are gonna hit the chassis rails at the back, so more notching and re-inforcement at the back then.

and so on.

and so on.

typed all this out 12 months ago... got largely ignored :roll:

have you ever wondered why there are so many people eulogising the slammed bus 'look', and throwing phrases like 'slam king' and 'praise the lowered' about, but there are so very few very low buses around ?

it's 'cos it's ******* difficult / a right pain in the arse to do... at home that is... the likes of T2D make it look simple, and i think that's half the problem :roll:

most people on 'the internet', given that it's such a fashionable subject at the moment, are gonna be egging you on, slam it ! slam it ! slam it ! because it's not the done thing to advise caution on such a matter at this point in time.

i don't mind sticking me head up over the parapet

research, research, research... don't end up wasting your money

Hello again

Had a good read through, thankyou very much, its nice to talk to people that know what they are on about.

My current situation is....

I have a slammed bus on a cut and turned beam, i have shorter shocks on the front which improve the ride (a little bit) but like i have said, my balljoints are under a hell of a lot of stress! (not good)

I am very happy with the height of my bus now and do NOT want to go lower or higher, i just want to go SAFER! lol

I cant afford a lot at the moment but really need to decide what i need to start saving for...

So what would you recomend for the cheapest and safest way to stay this height.... and dont say dont drive it :lol:

This is my current height...

Thankyaaa in advance

Freddie

 

[Araon]

Stock beams are available everywhere and come up here quite often at reasonable prices, fit adjusters..... you wont get this low but at least it opens the way ahead for fitting dropped spindles.....

you really dont have many options at your budget.....Compromise compromise compromise

you could notch the chassis and tub the arches yourself not cheap but it means you can retain a stock beam and shift the lot upwards, and your welding skills would need to be **** hot, but thats just pipe dreams.....