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Tofufi said:
cyberdyne systems said:
I think if you can (or your mate) write an objective view of the situation and the reasons why you feel he was ripped off, and then allow the seller to respond to the situation, and the rest of us to not gang up on the person (unless it becomes clear they are bad for the scene), then I recon you should go for it.

Agreed :) - that should be the way forward.

Me too
 
i think you should name and shame, people who rip others off should face the abuse if it is deserved, the way i see it, if you sell a propper item you have nothing to worry about it, if you sell ****, expect **** in return!
 
I think I'm with Clem on this one as the forum is somewhat different to other sites in regards, back stabbing bitching behaviour, if all is not right then it may be that a decision to post such a contraversial thread be brought about by judgement of peers in the form of mods....
 
at the end of the day nobody wants to be ripped of!if there is a chance of this guy doing it again shouldnt others be made aware of him and his dodgy dealings?afterall the more he gets away with the more people are getting ripped of! i think he should be named and shamed! Its happend to me i bought a van being told its really really good underneath and it being "mechanically sound" but when the chassis rails crumble in your hands a few months later after the underseal has come of and the brakes fail when comming down steep hills it isnt funny and isnt neccesary.
If people are not going to tell the truth then why do they bother saying anything?
 
71dormy said:
If people are not going to tell the truth then why do they bother saying anything?

I dont have a problem telling anyone that cant work it out for themselves who the seller was -

I know it happened over 2 years ago, but it still annoys me that he sells stuff on here.
I will have a chat with ********** at work today, I'm sure he will be happy to put up his side of the story.
Perhaps the Mods might persuade ********* to leave the for sale section briefly and provide his honest response? and perhaps some history on how long he has owned vans etc will help to corroborate his ignorance of the bodges performed?



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Loxy said:
71dormy said:
If people are not going to tell the truth then why do they bother saying anything?

I dont have a problem telling anyone that cant work it out for themselves who the seller was

I also note that my little additions to his for sale thread have been deleted!

I know it happened over 2 years ago, but it still annoys me that he sells stuff on here.
I will have a chat with haveacamper at work today, I'm sure he will be happy to put up his side of the story.
Perhaps the Mods might persuade ******** to leave the for sale section briefly and provide his honest response? and perhaps some history on how long he has owned vans etc will help to corroborate his ignorance of the bodges performed?

Loxy

After my post I have had some information passed to me by the van seller explaining his side of the story. As yet I have heard nothing directly from the vehicle buyer, so all this to date is from yourself, who although informed, are a third party.

Yes, I have deleted some of your posts, but simply as they are currently falling outside of the rules/guidelines of the Forum guidelines. Normally such posts would be taken more seriously but whilst this situation is 'pending' then post deletion is all that has been done.

I do see where you are coming from on this, and the efforts to stand up for what you beleive is right is admirable, however, you must understand that this is a two sided situation, and it would be most unfair to presume anyone guilty until proven innocent.

Even if we get both sides of the story, Im not really sure where it will lead us? Noone but those directly involved really know what was advertised, shown said etc .....

Regards, Mike
 
Mike,
I understand your position, it wasnt my intention to make the mods life difficult, as said previously I will discuss with the buyer - who has been away for the weekend so unable as yet to reply, I will get him to pass on his side of the story to you first rather than post on here.
I guess you can see from my "other" posts that this still annoys me (perhaps more so than the buyer), and the reason why in particular his recent posts have brought this back up.
Matt.
 
If you know 100% that this person did it then I would name and shame, If you are not 100% then go through mediation and get to the bottom of it.

Remember that you must be 100% sure with proof of the bodge that it was done by he or she. 8)
 
easy said:
If you know 100% that this person did it then I would name and shame, If you are not 100% then go through mediation and get to the bottom of it.

Remember that you must be 100% sure with proof of the bodge that it was done by he or she. 8)


I dont think there is any doubt that the work was done by them (or on their behalf), it seems to be more of a question of ignorance of it occurring.
 
Loxy said:
easy said:
If you know 100% that this person did it then I would name and shame, If you are not 100% then go through mediation and get to the bottom of it.

Remember that you must be 100% sure with proof of the bodge that it was done by he or she. 8)


I dont think there is any doubt that the work was done by them (or on their behalf), it seems to be more of a question of ignorance of it occurring.

Not defending anyone atall, but I have known people to pay good money for resto work and then sell the vehicle on in good faith, only to find out that they were being blammed for some of the shoddy work that they did not do as they believed the work had been to carried out in a professional manner. If dodgy work was known about then that is a whole different kettle of fish, that is why you must be 100% sure on your information. 8)
 
i think thats a fair comment, it is difficult to blame someone, if they have no knowlage of the quality of the work.


my van had a few issues when i bought it, one of which being the hand tight rear hub nuts, and the totaly incorrect wiring of the engine, i just think the PO was not mechanicaly minded, that said he did know his way arround a £10 note!
 

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