what kinds of motor

[easy]

Here here! earlybay! play nicely everybody. Go and have a smoke.....er I mean a drink

 

[slammedkustom]

I agree with the last four posts, this should and could be a real interesting thread not a slanging match!
i dont think anyone should be made to feel unwelcome here

Rich whats the rear hatch in your bay? T25? looks sweet

 

[Anonymous]

" :roll: Advise for my sheep-loving friend,"
was that nessercery? Mattys first post and thats the response he gets?

I was debating adding a smiley face to that comment, but didn't since I thought you guys can read into the humor. It was meant as a joke. I wouldn't slag people off at some car forum FFS!!

However, while it is his van and don't really car even if it's Diesel powered, I do care about the state of these cars in general. It seems half of your Buses come from my country anyway. So, that shows that they are in demand and the demand seems to outweigh the supply.

That said, keeping it aircooled matters IMO.

 

[lobus]

On the subject o of diesels, I owned a T3 Syncro diesel for 10 magnificent weeks in 2002 while touring around Germany, France, Italy and Austria.
Ever since, I have been wondering if anyone has done a diesel conversion to a Bay. There are no diesel T3s in Aus as they only imported the petrol version (and not many of them).
There are countless rice burning small trucks and utes floating around wreckers (breakers) yards and a motor would be cheap as chips to pick up.
It would go against the grain putting a ricey lump in a VW to me but if it was an oil burner I would be a little happier. It would certainly be an interesting thing to do. Maybe the extra weight would cause some problems.
What do you boys think?
David

As a foot note it couldn't be all that hard to do as I have seen all sorts of unusual conversions done here, like Rover 3.5, Holden 3.9 V6(supercharged'n all) and a couple of other anonymous straight 4 cylinder petrol engines.
If you want to check out the supercharged V6 go here
http://www.kruisinwagon.com.au

 

[lobus]

P.S. Where are you from Vanagonman?
With that handle I'm putting my money on the U.S of A.
David

 

[pete nice]

I would have thought an alternate engine would lower the resale value of a camper.

As an air cooled VW specialist, I won't touch anything with an alternate engine as I am just lining myself up for a fall.

It was mentioned above that an alternate engine is good for someone with no mechanical knowledge. I would think it would be the opposite. If you have no or little mechanical knowledge the 1600cc standard camper engine is one of the simplest engines ever made. Service items are around £30 & in a couple of hours it's done.

The engine does have to be respected & driven in a steady fashion, after all it is an old design. I hear these people taht have gone through 6 engines etc. I have been dubbing for 13 years & only 1 engine spun a bearing & needed a rebuild. Most can be put down to lack of mantainence, foolish engine mods, or just abusing the engine.

It would be a shame to see lots of these vans loose their true identity when for they price they are going for other modern alternatives are better in every way.

 

[slammedkustom]

Posted by vanoganman
"It seems half of your Buses come from my country anyway. So, that shows that they are in demand and the demand seems to outweigh the supply."

No one knows where your based so this makes no sense. if you dont like vehicles being exported then buy them up yourself
as to putting a smiley face on a post, no one knows who you are and you seem to attack every comment posted....WTF?

at a time when fuel prices are going thru the roof id be happier with more power and less fuel consumption. plus compared to how many stock engines there are in buses a handful of alternate engine powered ones should be a worry.
why does no one seem to have a problem with twin carbed big bore vw engine, they are damn expensive to build and run

 

[jp]

On the subject o of diesels, I owned a T3 Syncro diesel for 10 magnificent weeks in 2002 while touring around Germany, France, Italy and Austria.
Ever since, I have been wondering if anyone has done a diesel conversion to a Bay. There are no diesel T3s in Aus as they only imported the petrol version (and not many of them).
There are countless rice burning small trucks and utes floating around wreckers (breakers) yards and a motor would be cheap as chips to pick up.
It would go against the grain putting a ricey lump in a VW to me but if it was an oil burner I would be a little happier. It would certainly be an interesting thing to do. Maybe the extra weight would cause some problems.
What do you boys think?
David

As a foot note it couldn't be all that hard to do as I have seen all sorts of unusual conversions done here, like Rover 3.5, Holden 3.9 V6(supercharged'n all) and a couple of other anonymous straight 4 cylinder petrol engines.
If you want to check out the supercharged V6 go here
http://www.kruisinwagon.com.au

I suppose I should join in the debate as I have the most Transit Like early bay with a Ford Diesel and am normally the one to get the transit comments.. my response to the 'Why Don't You Just Buy A Transit' is simple 'I don't like the look of them' I see a vehicle as a piece of clothing that I put over the top of my coat and a Transit is not something I care to wear... I love the look of the Early Bay and love the whole surfy friendly scene that comes with it. My year of aircooled ownership was not the best with a very unreliable 1800 suitcase engine which returned me about 15mpg ! I'm sure it had something to do with the way I drove it that resulted in it breaking down soo much and returning such crap MPG but cruising at 50mph and slower up hills was not my thing and cost of a descent powered AC still with crap MPG did not seem the sensible option either.

Having recently had a newborn baby seeing burnt out campers on the side of the road made me even happier with my choice to go derv.

I appreciate the AC thing and have no problem with it at all I think it's great to see a unmolested bus. I like to look from the outside and see what you've done to the interior don't really care what's in your boot... at the same time I apprecite the engine swap scene obviously.

At the end of the day do what you want with your bus my bus could easily be turned back to aircooled pretty much everything watercooled is bolted on.. the bus was completely shot body wise so wasn't like I was ruining an original more saving.

lobus.. I would say that there is probably a 50 50 split of Diesel powered bays to scooby powered bay on VWKD most popular being Ford and Pug. I ran my 1.8D (from an escort) for 2 years with no probs, no servicing, and doing a 200+ mile weekly commute, returning 40mpg, with a lovely toasty heater to keep me warm in the winter. I have since taken my bus off the road to finish the restore, upgrade to a 1.8 TD and upgrade the brakes, steering and generally any other bright ideas the richbaker78 seems to come up with

Great to hear different views though

 

[lobus]

That's interesting about the amount of oilburners. I have never seen one here in Aus. The most common is the skuby doo jobby. I'm liking the sound of your fuel consumption. How does your conversion go in comparison to 0-60mph with a well tuned aircooled 1800. (your previous sounded a bit on the sick side to me). As for the heater there is only about 4 weeks in the middle of winter that mine is a bit lacking. I now have a few nice beanies and about 4 or 5 pairs of gloves so no problemo there. The demister can always keep up it is just the cabin that gets a bit chilly.
I will have to log onto that site and check out the diesel scene, just looking mind...not buying at the moment..Haha.
Maybe we can get a diesel or 2 into our early bay community. It would be good to exchange notes.

 

[slammedkustom]

also a point to note is that people putting alternate engines in bay seem to be using well worn UK RHD bays as the base vehicle.
no one would think that getting a rust free OG paint bay and hacking it up is a good idea.
most of the guys who even think about running a watercooled engine are normally pretty handy so a bit of welding isnt a problem. look on the site and see some of the near scrap bays that have been saved.

before people think i dont know what im talking about I had a WC T25 with a 2litre ford pinto a few years back as the 2litre WBX spares were so expensive it was cheaper to convert to ford. powerful, cheap to run and cheap parts.
i do it again tomorrow if i had to! Ive also built numerous vw engines and they can be expensive.

Aircooled VWs are an awesome vehicle but sometimes if you need to get a long distance, or get there quickly, or do a lot of driving you can look at other options.

o we could all buy merc sprinters and let our busses sit in the garage gathering dust. :wink:

 

[Anonymous]

P.S. Where are you from Vanagonman?
With that handle I'm putting my money on the U.S of A.
David

Yes mate, I live in Dallas TX (although I am from Brooklyn, NY). I'm an ex-UK resident, hence the familarity with the British lexicon.

Slammedkustom, I will not respond to your harsh post in an effort not to bring this thread down. I had assumed the title "Vanagonman" was a good hint as to where I am from. All the best to you sir.

 

[kevdonlon]

also a point to note is that people putting alternate engines in bay seem to be using well worn UK RHD bays as the base vehicle.
no one would think that getting a rust free OG paint bay and hacking it up is a good idea.
most of the guys who even think about running a watercooled engine are normally pretty handy so a bit of welding isnt a problem. look on the site and see some of the near scrap bays that have been saved.

er if my turbo engine goes bang i'll be the first one chopping it about to get a modern tdi lump in,sorry if it offends the purists but its my toy and i'll play with it how i like,oh and if it didnt look like a factory install i would be very disapointed

 

[slammedkustom]

as long as you let it rust a bit first yourll be alright! :wink:

ive been watching your build up and thats a fine piece of kit your building.

 

[slammedkustom]

Slammedkustom, I will not respond to your harsh post in an effort not to bring this thread down. I had assumed the title "Vanagonman" was a good hint as to where I am from. All the best to you sir.

bring the thread down, i think youve pretty much annoyed everyone on here? :shock:
that post wasnt harsh, im careful about what i post as it can be taken the wrong way as i explained before

 

[pete nice]

I think this debate could go on for ever. Nobody is going to change what they believe or think. It will just cause more arguments the longer it goes on.

It's like the air & watercooled cars at shows.
What is Cal - Look?
Which is the best model.

Everyone has their own oppinions & not all will agree.

So if everyone just stops putting alternate engines in our beloved busses everyone will be happy. :lol:

 

[Grazy]

you are right Pete each to their own thats what v dubs are all about i think and thats why its so cool there is no right or wrong way . respect to every opinion as i know nowt about engines but this thread is gettin REAL DEEP ! 8)

 

[67 BAY]

Does it really matter wether its AC or WC?, everybody in the aircooled world should do their own thing and apperciate the work they put into their vehicles..Start worrying about piss poor panels and fit,***** parts and crap chrome.A 67 bus with metalflke may not be everybodies bag but it suits me.

 

[slammedkustom]

Thats what i think, im a car enthusiast not just a VW enthusiast.
i may not like what some people do to there cars but its their vehicle, their money, their time.

live n let live!

 

[Airtime]

Thats what i think, im a car enthusiast not just a VW enthusiast.
i may not like what some people do to there cars but its their vehicle, their money, their time.

live n let live!

Totally true!

Here I have a nice (IMHO) conversion for you:
If you add this:

To this:

You get this:

And this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1ayYciQKHM

:twisted: 8)

 

[slammedkustom]

that is very cool and you kept the rear valance! :lol:
what is it and what size?