Bird Rebuilds 1776! Job done, thanks for the help folks!!

[weeboll]

another vote for porting - http://www.aircooledtech.com/port_polish/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; or get GAC or similar to do it for you

you'll need stronger valve springs if your running a mildly sporter cam

tap the case for full flow whilst you have it apart so you can add an external oil filter

presume it has a doghouse cooler since its already a twinport but if its an upgraded singleport /mucked around then thats another upgrade

and another vote for fitting oil temperature sensor to case

 

[creationblue]

another vote for porting - http://www.aircooledtech.com/port_polish/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; or get GAC or similar to do it for you

you'll need stronger valve springs if your running a mildly sporter cam

tap the case for full flow whilst you have it apart so you can add an external oil filter

presume it has a doghouse cooler since its already a twinport but if its an upgraded singleport /mucked around then thats another upgrade

and another vote for fitting oil temperature sensor to case

I personally wouldnt full flow the oil, its another weak link and not required imho, my 1776 with 92bhp is stock, with the addition of the dog house cooler

 

[Merlydog]

I always thought full flowing was for the big boys :shock: :lol: I know there's a kit you can buy that negates you having to mess about with the case but to be honest I don't think I'll bother with that. Unless of course someone has an argument for otherwise?
Dave (67panel) has kindly agreed to do my porting for me so that's a go.

 

[creationblue]

I always thought full flowing was for the big boys :shock: :lol: I know there's a kit you can buy that negates you having to mess about with the case but to be honest I don't think I'll bother with that. Unless of course someone has an argument for otherwise?
Dave (67panel) has kindly agreed to do my porting for me so that's a go.

Cool

 

[alex4057]

Full Flow is WELL WORTH DOING,

They full flowed all the rally beetles that ran 1600cc engines so i would think if VW did it it's deffo's worth looking at!

Its increases the oil capacity in the system, Our engines rely on the oil as it's life blood and by ibcreasing capacity and cooling your are seriously doing yourself a favour, it will run better and cruise at a higher rpm with less issues!!!!

 

[K@rlos]

If you can budget for it get the flywheel lightened, not much make it about 12 pounds as a bus needs a heavy (ish) to pull. But it would make it pick up abit better and last longer

 

[alex4057]

Balance EVERYTHING, even brand new parts tend to be well out.

It will run smoother for longer! :mrgreen:

Head work is were you gain the horse power, match port and polish the heads within an inch of there little lives!

 

[67panel]

DIE GRINDER AND DREMEL AT THE READY 8)

 

[Merlydog]

Ok Alex, I'm glad you've popped in to say hello on my thread.. I shall download you of all your knowledge! :lol: :mrgreen:
So far it looks like this;

Milder cam
Ported and polish standard mexi heads and DRLA manifolds
Stainless valves
Uprated springs to match cam
36 dells
Undecided on exhaust but tempted by easys new ones
Full flow (if I have the inclination and funds and time)

I think that's it... For now.. :mrgreen:

 

[EarlyBay Bill]

Well as some of you may know I decided its time for an engine upgrade/rebuild. As it happens there's nothing wrong with my trusty 1600 TP as it stands, I just don't know it's history and would like the project to learn more about my bus and what makes it tick.
I did lots of homework and initially set my sights on a 1776, but quickly realised the work and finances involved, not to mention all the other faff like brakes and gearbox upgrades. For a beginner, a little too much me thinks so......

I've decided on a 1641, I know some say you won't notice the difference but others do and to be honest I'm not massively bothered if I don't, if nothing else it'll be an opportunity to learn lots about my bus.

Well, I purchased this today, a fully functioning 1600 AD code 1600 TP for a strip and rebuild.

At the moment my plan is to stick either an engle 110 cam kit or scat c35 kit in the block, maybe balance everything (open to suggestions), 1641 B&Ps, stainless valves and port and polish the heads. I've got 36 dells that will sing nicely too.

So any advice on anything else I might want to consider whilst stripped down gratefully received guys.

Here we go.....

Appreciate it's an obvious one but in keeping with tradition from some of your other threads....do you really want our suggestions for what to consider whilst stripped down? :msn4:

 

[alex4057]

Ok Alex, I'm glad you've popped in to say hello on my thread.. I shall download you of all your knowledge! :lol: :mrgreen:
So far it looks like this;

Milder cam
Ported and polish standard mexi heads and DRLA manifolds
Stainless valves
Uprated springs to match cam
36 dells
Undecided on exhaust but tempted by easys new ones
Full flow

I think that's it... For now.. :mrgreen:

Sounds ACE

What compresion ratio are you aiming for?

I would suggest running a Oil Temp Gauge in Degrees F

also maybe a rev counter, but deffo's the oil temp gauge. I drive by this rather than the speedo or rev counter, this is a better representation of how your engine is feeling.

I haven't seen Easy's exhaust systems can you link it here so we can have a peek.

 

[Merlydog]

Hi Alex, I have both VDO oil pressure and temp sensor fitted with a Porsche 924 rev counter. Here's the exhaust.

http://forum.earlybay.com/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=42483" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[creationblue]

Full Flow is WELL WORTH DOING,

They full flowed all the rally beetles that ran 1600cc engines so i would think if VW did it it's deffo's worth looking at!

Its increases the oil capacity in the system, Our engines rely on the oil as it's life blood and by ibcreasing capacity and cooling your are seriously doing yourself a favour, it will run better and cruise at a higher rpm with less issues!!!!

Sorry but i disagree, I dont see the point of full flowing on a 1641 when your buliding a small capacity engine for the road, its extra expense and using a sledge to crack a nut. Maybe if you were building a HiPo then fair enough, but then i'de be building a 2.1............

 

[67panel]

its for the filter not a cooler as it wont need that,alex I think it needs 9-1 to make it work.

 

[weeboll]

my hopefully not insane logic says

a.tapping the case to allow full flow later should you or a n other future owner is always a good idea whilst the case is open

b. adding an external oil filter means less oil changes, less muck running around inside and peace of mind.. it will also add a little extra cooling so that when your cruising at 70mph going up a nice long gradual incline on a french autoroute at midday when the ambient temperature is in the mid 30's you dont need to back off the gas quite so early to avoid the temperature gauge going up and up..

especially if your running smaller wheels than stock which means your rpm is rather higher than vw intended (which is the reason your going to the trouble of balancing everything up)

 

[dubdubz]

I would also suggest full flow - do it 'Laurie's' way - with straight NOT tapered m16 I think - he's put a few replies on vzi re this. You use a sealing washer [ a bit like the oil relief plunger bungs]

it is worth doing - you won't need a cooler, but cleaner oil [remote filter] means the bearings will last longer.

 

[alex4057]

everyone has there own opionin that is what is great about the scene if we all liked the same think we would all be a boring sheep like flock doing all the smae things.

But i still stick with the idea that whilst it is all apart it is silly not to prep the case for full flow, I would at minimum use an external filter for the reasons given in the two post above mine who are much more eloquent than myself.

 

[K@rlos]

A remote cooler on a mild engine is a smart move although not essential. I think a remote filter is, the oil screen that stock engines have is fine for stock engine but even a mildly tuned motor will benefit from a proper oil filter. If your really not feeling full flow how about 1 of these?

http://www.coolairvw.co.uk/Item/Sho...-1600cc_CB_Performance_Maxi_Oil_Sump_Kit.html

Good compromise I think.

 

[Merlydog]

A remote cooler on a mild engine is a smart move although not essential. I think a remote filter is, the oil screen that stock engines have is fine for stock engine but even a mildly tuned motor will benefit from a proper oil filter. If your really not feeling full flow how about 1 of these?

http://www.coolairvw.co.uk/Item/Sho...-1600cc_CB_Performance_Maxi_Oil_Sump_Kit.html

Good compromise I think.

Thanks Karlos, that does look like a decent compromise and less hassle too. I wonder if anyone has any experience of these?

 

[sparkywig]

Sarah, google "the Hoover blogs" and see what he says about sumps and coolers.