Which ones though.....
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rusty old nail to sow's ear
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So after waiting 5 weeks for Creative Engineering to actually send something after taking my money, this turned up.
Let the braking fun begin.
Off-side rear brakes removed and hub assembly bared.
First job is to remove the upper back plate mount.
This is the moment of no return, once you've cut this off it's not possible to fit drum brakes again.
Quick coat of paint.
And start on t'other side.
Next job is to attach the calliper carrier mount. This uses the two front hub mounting bolts and the lower back plate mount.
And then slip on the disc assembly.
I must admit that it was at this point a number of issues started to arise.
Firstly the instructions supplied are shite, and secondly CE customer service is shite.
Calliper carriers not in correct position.
This is due to the disc assembly not sitting far enough onto the hub shaft.
:|
Let the braking fun begin.
Off-side rear brakes removed and hub assembly bared.
First job is to remove the upper back plate mount.
This is the moment of no return, once you've cut this off it's not possible to fit drum brakes again.
Quick coat of paint.
And start on t'other side.
Next job is to attach the calliper carrier mount. This uses the two front hub mounting bolts and the lower back plate mount.
And then slip on the disc assembly.
I must admit that it was at this point a number of issues started to arise.
Firstly the instructions supplied are shite, and secondly CE customer service is shite.
Calliper carriers not in correct position.
This is due to the disc assembly not sitting far enough onto the hub shaft.
:|
As we weren't getting anywhere with the brakes I decided to remedy some small clearance issues I've been having.
Not with the driveshaft or shocks, but the trailing arm catching the chassis.
So out came the grinder and the lip along the bottom edge of the chassis rails was removed.
While I was there a smallish repair was done around the torsion tube for the MOT.
I think some small notches will be required soon.
Not with the driveshaft or shocks, but the trailing arm catching the chassis.
So out came the grinder and the lip along the bottom edge of the chassis rails was removed.
While I was there a smallish repair was done around the torsion tube for the MOT.
I think some small notches will be required soon.
We're now into day 3, and I'm getting pissed off.
The issues have been sorted, but could've been avoided with better instructions as you will see.
It appears that the 12mm spacer that sits on top of the outer hub bearing needs to be removed to allow the disc assembly to sit further onto the half shaft.
So out they came, just need to be gently pried out with a small screwdriver.
The disc assembly now sits further onto the splines, but the internal bolts now foul on the hub.
So out comes the grinder again and the hubs are clearanced and repainted.
Success.
On with the assembly, calliper carriers next.
This didn't go quite to plan either. For some reason the carrier fouls the disc slightly on one side.
This was cured by the addition of a 10mm penny washer on the front edge of each carrier.
Calliper fitting.
Can you see a problem?
Yet again it's resolved with the grinder. Both callipers need clearancing to stop fouling the disc assembly.
Handbrake cables now.
I needed to trim the handbrake cable tube back about 70mm each side to get the outers to fit properly so there is enough cable to attach to the callipers.
Don't attach the cables to the callipers, or operate the handbrake levers until the brakes have been bled and set up.
And now the brake pipes. CE don't supply any brake pipes so you need to source your own.
I went for Mk 4 Golf Estate rears to suit the calipers, but they need modifying to fit as well.
What a pain in the ass, definitely wouldn't do it again and not worth the money.
Still need to sort a pair of spacers to allow the hub nuts to tighten fully.
But they do look good.
:mrgreen:
The issues have been sorted, but could've been avoided with better instructions as you will see.
It appears that the 12mm spacer that sits on top of the outer hub bearing needs to be removed to allow the disc assembly to sit further onto the half shaft.
So out they came, just need to be gently pried out with a small screwdriver.
The disc assembly now sits further onto the splines, but the internal bolts now foul on the hub.
So out comes the grinder again and the hubs are clearanced and repainted.
Success.
On with the assembly, calliper carriers next.
This didn't go quite to plan either. For some reason the carrier fouls the disc slightly on one side.
This was cured by the addition of a 10mm penny washer on the front edge of each carrier.
Calliper fitting.
Can you see a problem?
Yet again it's resolved with the grinder. Both callipers need clearancing to stop fouling the disc assembly.
Handbrake cables now.
I needed to trim the handbrake cable tube back about 70mm each side to get the outers to fit properly so there is enough cable to attach to the callipers.
Don't attach the cables to the callipers, or operate the handbrake levers until the brakes have been bled and set up.
And now the brake pipes. CE don't supply any brake pipes so you need to source your own.
I went for Mk 4 Golf Estate rears to suit the calipers, but they need modifying to fit as well.
What a pain in the ass, definitely wouldn't do it again and not worth the money.
Still need to sort a pair of spacers to allow the hub nuts to tighten fully.
But they do look good.
:mrgreen:
Still not got any working back brakes though, appears that the master cylinder has failed.
:roll:
:roll:
junglefacejake
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Will be great once you get it sorted. Nice wheel choice 
So this morning was spent taking the wife to have her eyes sorted and ringing round suppliers trying to find a '68/'69 master cylinder while I was waiting for her.
Finally found one at a GSF branch and got to the yard about 11. Dropped the old master cylinder out, got covered in brake fluid and installed the slightly modified new one.
Although I left a copper washer off a blanking plug and had to remove the master cylinder to refit it as it was drawing air into the system.
Less haste and all that nonsense......
Ozziedog appeared just before 12 and pointed out that the rear wheel bolts were fouling the brake callipers. Something else to sort out.
Just after bleeding the front brakes everybody else went home, so still have the rears to do.
I did chop 5mm off the wheel bolts and got that problem sorted before locking up and coming home.
Just the rear brakes to bleed, set the handbrake and sort the rear hub spacers. Perhaps then I can drive the bloody thing home.
Still waiting on the front disc adaptor plates before I can run Porsche fitment wheels, so have got time to clean the brake dust off and decide how to detail them.
Finally found one at a GSF branch and got to the yard about 11. Dropped the old master cylinder out, got covered in brake fluid and installed the slightly modified new one.
Although I left a copper washer off a blanking plug and had to remove the master cylinder to refit it as it was drawing air into the system.
Less haste and all that nonsense......
Ozziedog appeared just before 12 and pointed out that the rear wheel bolts were fouling the brake callipers. Something else to sort out.
Just after bleeding the front brakes everybody else went home, so still have the rears to do.
I did chop 5mm off the wheel bolts and got that problem sorted before locking up and coming home.
Just the rear brakes to bleed, set the handbrake and sort the rear hub spacers. Perhaps then I can drive the bloody thing home.
Still waiting on the front disc adaptor plates before I can run Porsche fitment wheels, so have got time to clean the brake dust off and decide how to detail them.
mychatype3
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it’s hard work that CE-stuff
Love the wheelsarty0049:
Love the wheels
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creationblue
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Nice job! Was talking to Red9 about an EB rear disc conversion, said he will sort one.... After seeing your probs I think I'll wait....
Heebee_GB
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Great work as ever Wig. 8)
8)
Nick-Rackham
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sparkywig said:I wanted to run a set of wheels no-one else is, so when these came up I bought them straight away.
Only I took so long to pick them up that Mycha's already got them on his bus. :lol:
I think only the pair of us will be running these.
I've had a set for mine for 3 years! Lol I too wanted to be unique!
Nice rims Si
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68_early_bay
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Some really nice work si, shame you had to re-design it for them :? Will wait til they iron out the kinks before I invest
I wouldn't hold your breath Shaun.
I'll let them know all the "modifications" when I've finally finished.
I'll let them know all the "modifications" when I've finally finished.
68_early_bay
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sparkywig said:
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Think I'll be sticking to stock rear brakes :|
Great thread Si and excellent pics - although not good news for CE because after reading of your issues and their lack of customer service my money is remaining firmly in my back pocket until I can work out another method of rear wide 5 disks!
Bet they will be ace when all the issues are sorted though - no more drum brake adjustments!
Nice work 8)
Bet they will be ace when all the issues are sorted though - no more drum brake adjustments!
Nice work 8)
mychatype3
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Nick-Rackham said:I've had a set for mine for 3 years! Lol I too wanted to be unique!
Nice rims Si
:lol: 8)
sparkywig said:Still need to sort a pair of spacers to allow the hub nuts to tighten fully.
But they do look good.
It's also possible to turn the splines down around 15mm so your Porsche cap will fit?
Keep up the good work
